Yenn Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I assume your Stealership is in China. How would it go in Australia? Is there any incentive in China to go electric, because I don't think there is any from the aussie government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 What's the nominal service cost and interval? It's bullshit is what it is. Over 200,000 kms in 4 cars and not one has ever been into a workshop once, EVER. Apparently BMW and Nissan to name 2, have 15,000km services, to service what exactly? Just a lie. The Tesla has had a set of wiper blades, fitted them myself, and I pump up the tyres sometimes. Oh and I fill up the washer bottle myself, I'm awesome I tell yas! Although EVs are initially more expensive, there are no service charges, tyre and brake wear are greatly increased due to linear acceleration, and regen braking. the Tesla weghs 2200kgs, but the first set of tyres went 75,000kms, and brakes look fine. in fact I barely ever touch the brakes in any EV as the regen does 80% of the braking for you. I feel sorry for the current Dealerships around the world, not sure what they are going to do as a large chunk of their income comes through service and spare parts. Because no service costs, better brake and tyre wear etc, lowered cost of fuel, the cost of an EV draws equal to an ICE after 5 to 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I assume your Stealership is in China. How would it go in Australia? Is there any incentive in China to go electric, because I don't think there is any from the aussie government. Great incentives in China, the Government pays a quarter of your car, further tax incentitives to businesses, free parking in cities for 2 hours, Government run or Gov sponsored charger installations, besides cheap electricity because essential services (water, gas, electricity) belong to the people here, as they should everywhere (yeah right). Australia wouldn't be difficult because you don't need the large premises for servicing, it's just a sales outlet, you could even do it from a Shopping Center, just deliver the cars to people's doors. Warranty issues could be covered by Ultratune or other selected service outlets. A small out of town cheap premises for holding and distributing spare parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 My wife just said "Maybe we should go and live in China" I wonder what the louts in Hong Kong would say to that. For all the bad press that China gets I haven't heard one word about the amazing restraint shown by the Hong Kong police force. I wonder how the Qld government would have handled riots like those in Hong Kong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I suspect the praiseworthy restraint of the HK police is due largely to blanket coverage of the events by foreign media. Elsewhere in China, standing up against the government might not be as safe; local journalists and dissidents get "disappeared" on a regular basis. In the far west, hidden from prying foreign eyes, perhaps a million people have been locked up in re-education camps, while physical aspects of their centuries-old culture are bulldozed. Despite stringent security, stories of unspeakable atrocities are leaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 they obviously have a lot to learn from Indonesia. They have West Papua tucked up nicely and no other nation wants to know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 In the far west, hidden from prying foreign eyes, perhaps a million people have been locked up in re-education camps, while physical aspects of their centuries-old culture are bulldozed. Despite stringent security, stories of unspeakable atrocities are leaking out. ....What the??? On another thread you asked me not to speak of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Marty I suggested we not involve our mate in China in these discussions. That's not a good place for a foreigner to be challenging government excess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 https://thedriven.io/2019/11/15/australias-sea-electric-takes-massive-order-for-100-electric-trucks/?fbclid=IwAR0uBimZW57ST-9Tre1v9VhllaxW0NuaAXpnIWUncJUFPmxG6srQMluJNyM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 09/11/2019 at 4:58 PM, octave said: And another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Given the UK wants to be a leader in getting to "net zero" carbon emissions (whatever that really means), they have pulled the subsidy for EVs... Though, I know more and more people who drive EVs and they love them.. .they are darned fast, as well.. I drive 170 miles at least two times a week.. I don't want to be faffing about for 1/2 hour at servos. for these drives, but apparently there is a next gen charging system and batteries coming in that make charging a bit faster - and if I can get a 250m+ range, I will go for one (Why 250m+? Because you can be stuck in traffic for a darned long time in the UK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 and if I can get a 250m+ range, I will go for one (Why 250m+? Because you can be stuck in traffic for a darned long time in the UK). My son owns a BMWI3 and has just purchased a Tesla 3P (which I am looking forward to driving in a few weeks - he lives in NZ) On our last trip he loaned us the I3 to get around which is delightful to drive. On one occasion there had been and accident so traffic was bumper to bumper and stop start all the time. There is no better car than an EV in this situation, all the other vehicles constantly idling and burning fuel meanwhile when we were at a standstill with virtually no power draw. I think his new Tesla will charge to %50 in 20 minutes at a super charger and its stated range is 310 miles, this model was not cheap though. The BMWI3 has a range extending motor which is really just a BMW motor bike engine which can be set to kick in and will hold the charge at its current level. One thing that acts as a disincentive to purchasing an EV is the up front purchase price (at this time) although they are cheaper over their life people (including me) are not good at doing a whole life comparison. We avoid up front cost even if the eventual cost is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Tesla's latest creation, the Cybertruck is reputed to have 250,000 pre-orders. It is reported to have a retractable tonneau cover which is a solar panel, for recharging while parked. [ATTACH]50455._xfImport[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Tesla's latest creation, the Cybertruck is reputed to have 250,000 pre-orders. It is reported to have a retractable tonneau cover which is a solar panel, for recharging while parked. [ATTACH]3399[/ATTACH] And a prime example of what happens when Homer Simpson does the styling. I'm much more impressed with the Rivian (pics below). Although at the moment the projected price point of over $100,000 for the SUV puts it beyond our means. [ATTACH]50456._xfImport[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]3402[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 And a prime example of what happens when Homer Simpson does the styling. I'm much more impressed with the Rivian (pics below). Although at the moment the projected price point of over $100,000 for the SUV puts it beyond our means. [ATTACH]3400[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]3402[/ATTACH] When I first saw the cyber truck I thought WTF but it is growing on me. Most new designs that are not incremental tweeks of older designs are usually jarring at first. I imagine if you dropped a 2019 car into the 50s people would be horrified, they would want to know why there was no chrome and why so curvy etc. Most talk in the popular media has been quite superficial and there seems to by little consideration over why that shape was chosen. ie cost and aerodynamics. Here is a video where these things are discussed. I guess it is down to personal taste but many things we find fashionable now were initially thought to be ugly. I wouldn't buy one myself or any other pick up truck because I have no need but if I did I think I would looking for price and function first, lets face what truck is good looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willedoo Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 When I first saw the cyber truck I thought WTF but it is growing on me. Most new designs that are not incremental tweeks of older designs are usually jarring at first. I imagine if you dropped a 2019 car into the 50s people would be horrified, they would want to know why there was no chrome and why so curvy etc. I think it looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 If you think the Cybertruck looks weird, what about this rendering? [ATTACH]50458._xfImport[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Cybertruck camper configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Maybe I'm just old fashioned. Funny thing is, I love the looks of the Land Rover Defender (110) - even though I'd never own one. It also has a lot of flat panels, plus all the windows, but just enough rounding of the edges. I can understand what the guy says about ease of manufacture and yes the drag coefficient would be low, but fer chrissakes it wouldn't break the bank to round off the edges. What is the real worry, and which was not addressed in that video, is the safety of the vehicle. All very well being able to hit it with a sledge hammer, but what about crumple zones? I'd be very interested to see testing of this and what ANCAP rating it'd achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 What is the real worry, and which was not addressed in that video, is the safety of the vehicle. All very well being able to hit it with a sledge hammer, but what about crumple zones? I'd be very interested to see testing of this and what ANCAP rating it'd achieve. I imagine that the presented version will evolve somewhat into the production model. It will of course have to pass crash tests etc and conform to regs. I do find it more interesting and exciting the more I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willedoo Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 If it's ever sold in Australia it would have to have a different body than the prototype. They're claiming it's bulletproof to 9mm. rounds and the glass is armoured to a certain degree. There's no way the public will ever be allowed to buy an armoured car in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 If it's ever sold in Australia it would have to have a different body than the prototype. They're claiming it's bulletproof to 9mm. rounds and the glass is armoured... America's obsession with guns has gone far enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 The Federal Pollies have them. SO it must be OK. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Maybe it's invisible to police radar - looks like it is modelled on the F117. the glass is armoured to a certain degree In the release presentation, Musk had a chap throw a ball or rock at the front door window - it smashed. So he threw one at the window behind the door - it smashed also. Elon Musk suddenly lost $274 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Very hard to fix dents in flat panels. And sharp folds have a high reject rate during forming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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