GRIPES

[spacesailor]

Easy.

It,s a Bakers Dozen !.

Always 13.

That odd  number.

spacesailor

[Yenn]

I have the same problem with unsliced bread. The loaves are too short, or are they too long?

[Marty_d]

Have a snack at the end of the loaf, or give it to the chooks.  Problem solved.

[pmccarthy]

Why do restaurants give you five items in the nibble dish when there are just two of you? They want to watch you fight over the last piece.

[spacesailor]

Bead to long, lay it ovrr onto its other side.

spacesailor

[nomadpete]

15 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Have a snack at the end of the loaf, or give it to the chooks.  Problem solved.

Yeah, the last crust is always a bit tough - god intended it to go to the chooks.

[facthunter]

  I recall  the mural at the end of term year 12. "IF bread be the staff of life, the  life of THIS staff is one big Loaf".  Nev

[old man emu]

GRIPE:

I'm all for acknowledging the territorial and spiritual connection the descendants of the aboriginal people have with this landmass, but I'm getting sick of kowtowing to it. For background noise while I'm working, I have my radio tuned to ABC Classic. Every time they play music composed in Australia, and every time they mention where a caller is from, they name the tribal country of that place.

 

For those of us who don't live in that particular place, the name means nothing, and is often technically incorrect. I grew up on the southern shores of Botany Bay, which is Dharawal country. But Dharawal country extends from Botany Bay to the Shoalhaven. I grew up on the Gweagal clan land. So, What's my spiritual country?

 

The Gweagal have the dubious honour of being the victims of the first recorded shooting of an original inhabitant by Europeans when one of Cook's men fired on a group of men who were trying to tell Cook to bugger off.

[onetrack]

It's PC overkill, people will soon get sick of it. I detest the way everything has to have a new, unpronounceable Aboriginal name. We speak English as a national language, not Pitjantjara.

We've already had an instance where a woman Asian tourist dialled 000 because one of their group had fallen down the rocks at a waterfall, and was badly injured and trapped.

But the woman couldn't tell the 000 operator where she was, because the waterfall had recently been re-named with a long Pitjantjara name, and she couldn't even begin to pronounce it.

The emergency authorities had to then set to, and triangulate her phone position, to try and determine where she was, and this added about another 20 mins delay to the rescue action.

[facthunter]

Maybe us anglo saxons might have to get a bit more tuned in to various foreign languages in a country that is very multi cultural and likely to become more so.. The engine reconditioning place I worked in as a youngster had a progressive view about employing people of east european and Italian ancestry when they were all generally classed as Wogs and Balts. I don't remember any friction there at all... I remained a life long friend of the two bosses there, one who pretended to be my father when a shonky Motorbike sales firm withheld money on a bike they sold for Me on consignment. Nev.

[spacesailor]

Tuned in to languages! .

We ALL humans, should be learning " Esperanto ".

This way we will be able to communicate with ANY ' tribe '.

Keep your original tongue.  

AND communicate with that scientific  designed language. 

spacesailor

[octave]

32 minutes ago, onetrack said:

It's PC overkill, people will soon get sick of it. I detest the way everything has to have a new, unpronounceable Aboriginal name.

When I travel to New Zealand which I do frequently (my son lives there) I think it is quite charming when the plane lands on over the PA they say "Kia Ora, welcome to Wellington"   Then I go to my sons house in Wainuiomatta.  Often we will take the ferry over to Matiu /Sommes Island.   It does not seem like a big deal to me.  To me it is not about PC but about place names recognizing all of the history of the land pre and post white settlement.  It also give a country a character of its own.

 

I think the issue that bothers some people comes down to being resistant to change.   It may seem like aboriginal words are too hard for us to pronounce but I think the issue is about taking on new words.  My evidence for this is that I have heard people say that they want to get rid of terms like Gadigal Country but they would have a fit if they changed the name Mooloolaba to something nice and British.   

 

If the issue is about using Aboriginal names and not just about anxiety due to change then there would be a huge job changing existing names.  I was going to cut and paste a list but the list is enormous.

 

List of Australian place names of Aboriginal origin

[Marty_d]

The locals probably got quite annoyed when the first white men here completely ignored the existing place names and renamed them after British characters of dubious morality.

[red750]

Fair crack of the whip. Australia Post can't deliver to places with white man's names. God help us if we changed to first nation names.

[facthunter]

What's the postcode for then, if it's not to identify a place precisely?. We already HAVE many aboriginal names for places.  Nev

[red750]

If postcodes meant anything to Appalling Post, why do items get sent around three or four states before being delivered?

[pmccarthy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_place_names_of_Aboriginal_origin

That is a very long list. It is good that we already have so many. When the first white settlers were spreading out, they asked the locals for place names and used them. Then any traveller could ask a local where to find so and so with his flock of sheep.

 

[facthunter]

It's not my job to sort out Australia Post. The question was about aboriginal names. Nev

[red750]

10 minutes ago, facthunter said:

It's not my job to sort out Australia Post

OK Scomo.

[willedoo]

4 hours ago, onetrack said:

We speak English as a national language, not Pitjantjara.

o.t., you forgot the jat.

[onetrack]

Yeah, my apologies, I don't speak Pitjantjatjara too well.  

[old man emu]

Just come home from doing some shopping in Dubbo. The Indians seem to be outnumbering the natives.

[spacesailor]

Tuned in to languages!

My little rant was the fact that Most ' tribes want their own language as the foremost 

Keep your original tongue.  

DW I ddim yn deall !.

I Was going to say ! In the four English tongues "  I don,t understand ". 

BUT

Google  couldn't even translate into Scottish .

AND communicate with that scientific  designed language.

Means to Communicate. 

Down with the English Grammer language 

The English on FB are using a different language now !.

I cannot communicate now.

spacesailor

[willedoo]

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

Yeah, my apologies, I don't speak Pitjantjatjara too well.  

Just mutter a lot of vowels and don't forget to roll the r's.

[willedoo]

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

Yeah, my apologies, I don't speak Pitjantjatjara too well.  

I remember years ago having a browse through a university course book on the Pitjantjatjara language. I spotted it on the shelf of the Calgary Library in Alberta, Canada of all places. Have no idea what it was doing there. I remember there wasn't many consonants in their lingo, very vowel heavy.

 

A couple of white blokes I worked with were fluent in one of the Pitjantjatjara dialects. Not surprising as they were born and bred in Oodnadatta and were both married to aboriginal women.