Electric Cars - the discussion continues.

[facthunter]

What ! A Super chick magnet? What would they do if it worked?   What Oldies can afford or drive, a McLaren Ferrari or Aston Martin?  When I was young you couldn't get US$;s. to buy anything American , which is what most people would have desired.. Nev 

[red750]

Oh dear...

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/weather/topstories/flooded-tesla-evs-from-hurricane-ian-exploding-all-over-florida/ar-AA12LMP6?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=64fc0340ca3a4b40bb4b2a3f80bf75d7

[facthunter]

There's a recall of Hyundai and Kia's that catch fire after they are turned off. counted in the millions in the US. No mention?   That's without being immersed in salt water..Nev

[spacesailor]

The local OLDies .have a Maserati,  a Bently and lots of Cheap Mustangs !.

Almost swapped my HummelBird for a blackCoupe .

But maybe I wasn,t Old enough  . LoL

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Get yourself a Porsche "BOXTER". Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

I remember years ago, when I was doing night shift as a computer operator, I ventured on a Saturday eve to the 7-Eleven on Flemingtron road, near the corner of Royal Parade (I think it is still Royal Parade unti the round about where it becomes Elizabeth Street).. to pick up a pie and donuit for dinner (yum yum).

 

There was a scum-bucket of a bloke who emerged to get into his Porsche 944, which even then was a poor mans Porsche, and a couple of ladies looking for their catch could not take their eyes off him.. I learned a lot that nigtht (I was about 18 from memory). First rule of dating - never dte a girl who would ogle a bloke in a 944.. both are pretenders.

 

[edit] And, tbh, these sheilas weren't the type I would have gone after anyway... nor many of us to be honest...

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jerry_Atrick

[onetrack]

I think the news article is pretty slanted against EV's, and Teslas in particular - when the title of "Teslas exploding ALL OVER Florida", turns out to be a total of FOUR Teslas catching fire, since the Hurricane.

 

I reckon there would've been a higher number of petrol-powered cars that caught fire in the same period, and in the same natural disaster event.

[spacesailor]

I once parked my Delia , between a Bently & a R R, the Bently owner came over to  checkout MY CAR .

Saw me closing the windows with the remote. 

He,,s name Mr CROWE .

spacesailor

[kgwilson]

14 hours ago, onetrack said:

I think the news article is pretty slanted against EV's, and Teslas in particular - when the title of "Teslas exploding ALL OVER Florida", turns out to be a total of FOUR Teslas catching fire, since the Hurricane.

 

I reckon there would've been a higher number of petrol-powered cars that caught fire in the same period, and in the same natural disaster event.

There is still a lot of anti EV sentiment out there probably from those with an inferiority complex when their expensive ICE car can easily be outperformed by most ordinary EVs. The statistics do not back up the claims of EVs being more prone to catching fire that ICE cars. The opposite is in fact true. Hybrids are far more prone than pure EVs & that is generally because they have an ICE engine  that starts & stops at random & there is plenty of very volatile fuel there to burn.

 

https://belux.edmo.eu/fact-check-do-electric-cars-catch-fire-more-often-than-combustion-engine-cars/

[facthunter]

There's a tiny electric that does 0-62 in 1'46 seconds. The hybrid is the worst of BOTH worlds. An electric cuts the routine maintenance to almost nothing. Modules could be self testing easily So many maintenance intensive things just aren't there. . Nev

[spacesailor]

SO

What catagory ' would ' a hypethetical !.

Coal fired , steam boiler , powering a ' steam engined generator ' , 

Electricaly driving all road wheels .

A " hybrid " .

well it,s not an I C vehicle . Or " petrol " guzzler. 

just thinking of the Old " mechainix illustrated, & popular science/ popular mechanics ' .

Used to love reading them !.

spacesailor

 

 

[facthunter]

Water's "latent heat of vaporisation" condemns steam to a low efficiency thing .Then you lose a bit more going through the electrics twice. Nev

[onetrack]

The efficiency of the Doble Bros Steamers was incredible, even by todays standards. It's a shame the the Doble Bros fought so much, and didn't have an over-arching financial controller.

 

The Doble could do 90 mph with ease, and reach 120 mph in near silence, it cost very little to run, used only modest amounts of fuel, could do 2400kms before the watertank needed refilling, and their only major drawback was the brakes, which were limited to rear-wheel brakes only, in line with 1920's engineering thinking.

 

Unfortunately, thanks to the Doble Bros perfectionism, and their need to build the Doble from only the best materials, there were only about 32 Dobles built, and only about 25 survive. Jay Leno owns one.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_steam_car

 

[nomadpete]

So there's not much chance of a picking up a 'barn find' Doble on my next outback trip?

 

Darn!

[Bruce Tuncks]

If you have unlimited firewood, then a wood-fired steam generator is a great idea, except that you need a boiler attendant and that will cost you heaps....  bugger huh.

 

[facthunter]

Stanley and White are other notable US early brands, Doble seem to have persisted longer with more a advanced Boiler that gets going faster. Yes today you need a steam ticket to operate some of them. They can be dangerous. Nev

[spacesailor]

A boiler is not quite correct . As the new " steam generators ' do not need a ' boiler ' .

You can have a steam generator  in your domestic house for heating.

My Late bro built a very nice coiled ' flash ' steamer for a 24 ft boat, with a high & low preasure two pot motor.

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Yes some of them use Petrol for the heat if you want to get really inefficient.  I didn't want to use the word "flash" as I  don't live in the correct suburb.  I have a mate who built a 2 tonne thing, I call the "REACTOR". Nev

Edited October 13, 2022 by facthunter

[spacesailor]

The other notable one is .

Stanley Steamer , much cheaper than the others .

If you saw a " steam car" on a farm tip ,

Would you or anyone one here consider  what that heap of barrels & pipes was .

Not such a silly question as .

I found a chassis  ( on that farm tip ) it was a mr Holden serial number 600 & something. 

Turns out it was a " chevi / G M "chassis "  bought by him to put His bodies onto .

spacesaIIor 

 

 

[red750]

A new study has found it'll take a village to keep Tesla Semi trucks on the road.

 

https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-semis-will-need-more-electricity-than-a-small-town-to-charge?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=carbuzz-facebook&utm_content=post

[nomadpete]

Actually, Peter, that says that we will have to turn off a village or two, to supply power to the electric trucking industry

[Jerry_Atrick]

I don't know what the surprise is.. We generate electricity for the needs/demands of current energy usage.. if we switch to EVs, we will need more. If we need more we will have to generate more. The bigger the load (and the less aerodynamic), the more energy required to overcome mass and drag. There's no free rides. As someone in the article said, we can see the demand coming, we need to built the generating and distribution capacity now.

 

I see on rec.flying  that there is debate about EVs still.. They're coming as Aus is too small a market for global manufacturers to worry about supplying  a backwater bunch of clingons with ICE vehicles while the world moves away from them. Volvo have already stated no ICE cars for Aus from 2026. May as well invest in what is a virtually dead-certain future now..

 

[onetrack]

Maybe the EV secret is in the fact that there's a lot of wasted power that's being generated at any one time, and simply using that normally wasted power is going to supply the EV energy needed.

When you run a power station or generating set, it's burning fuel or oil or gas or coal, and the electrical load can be small or large.

 

If the power draw on the power station/genset triples, you don't need another two power stations, or another two gensets - it's just that that power generating system works a bit harder and maybe the fuel consumption goes up a bit.

 

During the night, the electrical load on power stations is low - but they're still running - so perhaps the EV's being recharged overnight will get their energy from this normally wasted power plant operation output.

[Old Koreelah]

Those worried about disposing of old EV batteries should relax. They’ll still have lots of life left and will be snapped up by consumers to install in their homes, where they can soak up surplus daytime energy ready to sell at high prices on the spot market.

[kgwilson]

Most of those who own EVs already do this as they plug the car in when they get home. This is not a problem at present as the number of EVs is tiny compared to ICE vehicles.

 

The issue is that the old coal fired power stations are nearing the end of their useful life and while wind and solar are beginning to make inroads there is a very long way to go. Coal fired power simply cannot be turned down much and to remain efficient must produce power continuously regardless of demand.

 

Storage especially pumped hydro can provide a lot of off peak demand but we have done little to get this going other than the flawed Snowy 2 project.

 

As EVs begin to become more common the charging problem will increase so good planning is essential. We are playing catch up due to the last LNP government doing virtually nothing in its 10 year stint at the helm other than being forced to make commitments they had no idea how they would  be able to achieve.

 

Across the ditch they already produce over 80% of their energy  from renewables, mostly hydro which they have in abundance and an increasing geothermal industry. Their biggest problem is farting cows with a huge Dairy industry.