Keep your Theist/Atheist arguments here

[facthunter]

It's ALL about control and manipulation. Atheism is NOT another religion.  Atheists have NO Invisible means of support and don't blame Dog albitey for anything. Seems a good place to start from if you are looking for answers that are available with the collective knowledge we have access to today. Attacks on SCIENCE are common from some religious nutters. That's been consistent throughout history. Nev

[Marty_d]

There's a little bit of a conflation between religion and culture.  Spacey I assume you're talking about Islam when you say you get your head cut off for leaving the religion.  Kind of depends where you are I reckon.  If you're in a heavily Wahabi-following culture, especially in the more rural/backwards areas, then possibly.  But in urban areas and especially Western countries, there are probably very similar "nominal" muslims as there are "nominal" catholics, ie probably see the inside of a church/mosque once a year for some celebration.  For people in those situations I don't think "losing their religion" would have any serious consequences apart from mildly disappointed parents.

[pmccarthy]

Can’t stand that wahabi stuff myself, though I like pesto.

[spacesailor]

Salvation Army ! / jehovah witness, & Mormon,  this list is Far far reaching. 

And all following One prophet .

It really doesn't,t make sense that they can be so far apart in those beliefs. 

spacesailor

[Bruce Tuncks]

good onyer spacey. I am personally impressed with how silly are the arguments put forward by the religious lot.

AND as space says, how come there are so many mutually incompatible sects? If I were god, this is one of the first things I would fix, second only to explaining how the other religions were completely wrong.

[Old Koreelah]

Old, but worth another run:

 

[Marty_d]

Ah, logic and irony.  Lost to fundamentalists everywhere.

[Old Koreelah]

That huge replica has been an enormous shot in the foot for bible thumpers;

Built by skilled tradies with power tools and modern supply chains, it still couldn’t do what the bible claimed.

[facthunter]

You can rote learn the "Times" tables and profit, but if you multiply the religious way, the answer is a disaster. Nev

[spacesailor]

"  FLOAT " ?.

spacesailor

[onetrack]

I dunno, old K. Give them a chance - the Kentucky floods haven't been anywhere deep enough yet! - although they seem to be getting a small taste of Biblical floods recently.

 

But I really do want to see how they arrange to feed every single species that they manage to cram on board, just before launch. They could also have a problem sourcing some exotic species in Kentucky, although I suppose they could always raid a few Kentucky zoos.

[rgmwa]

3 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

That huge replica has been an enormous shot in the foot for bible thumpers;

Built by skilled tradies with power tools and modern supply chains, it still couldn’t do what the bible claimed.

What a waste of timber!

[Marty_d]

If there were 2 of every animal and only 5 or so humans...  who mucked out the stables?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Don't you fellas know anything? God suspends the need for living organisms to eat, and therefore, the don't need to poop or pee... Nor do the carnivores need to threaten the prey animals, either. In the glory of god, everything is good. after the disembark.. they then start the mess you humans make them do.

 

(please lock me up, now!)

 

[edit] forgot to mention.. those rains were god doing user acceptance testing before the bid day. Can't trust tradies these days, you know...

Edited August 8, 2022 by Jerry_Atrick

[old man emu]

 "The lion and the lamb may possibly sometimes lie down together; but if you'll notice carefully, when the lion gets up, the lamb is generally missing."

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Wot about Australian animals? It was a hell of a long way for an echidna to go there n back. Not to mention Koalas and a whole bunch of other animals.

[facthunter]

The "STORY" conveniently ignores the SEA creatures which wouldn't drown.  AND where does the rainwater come from (Usually the SEA) and go to when it's over.? It's SO silly when you examine it. People will believe ANYTHING. Nev

[old man emu]

If you lived in an isolated grazing/grain growing community, with no contact outside a radius of 5 to 10 miles, how many different kinds of animals would you know of?  Now doesn't "two of each kind" seem possible?

 

The big archaeological question to be answered is the source of the deluge. Our recent experience tells us the rain over 40 days and 40 nights can mae things soggy, but not give total inundation. We have to look for a sudden massive movement of water - a flood front, tsunami, or fractured natural structure that was damming water. Given the pre-Hebrew origin of the flood story in Mesopotamia (translates roughly as "middle rivers"), I'd say that the story is a memory of a massive flood event in either the Euphrates or Tigris Rivers.

 

It is said that the word 'euphrates' is a translation for the word "Gush forth" or "break forth". But the true etymology of the word is unknown. However, "gush forth" and another translation "fast flowing" could harken back to a massive flood event before the Bronze Age.

[facthunter]

I think those two rivers are fed by the snow melt in Turkey. They were clearly visible on the way from Bahrein to Frankfurt.  Nev

[old man emu]

The two rivers drain a vast area. This diagram shows average precipitation in their headwaters.

[spacesailor]

Here,s one theory! .

The Mediterranean sea was, in antiquity only a river, with the Atlantic Ocean held back by the wall of Gibraltar. (  pillers of Gibraltar ).  When the sea came over , then eroded those walls , it would be a super large inundation .

The mith of Sampson breaking the pillars. 

spacesailor

[Yenn]

If the Mediterranean was a river, where did it flow to? If the Atlantic was held back by a wall, then the Med would have formed a lake just East of that wall.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Spacy, you are right about a great flood at the start of the mediterranean ocean. But this was not the noah's arc flood at all....  the timing is too wrong.

 

[spacesailor]

yen

The Mediterranean Has no outlet,  Gibraltar And Suez both feed into the Med & only evaporation helps to lower the level .

And there is a ' canal system ' from the French coast to Germany .

spacesailor

[old man emu]

Another proposal for the "Flood" is called the Black Sea Deluge

 

In 1997, William Ryan, Walter Pitman, Petko Dimitrov, and their colleagues first published the Black Sea deluge hypothesis, that a catastrophic inflow of Mediterranean seawater into the Black Sea freshwater lake occurred around 7600 years ago. As proposed, the Black Sea flood scenario describes events that would have profoundly affected prehistoric settlement in eastern Europe and adjacent parts of Asia and possibly was the basis of oral history concerning Noah's flood. Some archaeologists support this theory as an explanation for the lack of Neolithic sites in northern Turkey.

 

This proposal has been tested, and a lot of specialists don't thin it is correct. However, it is worth considering as a possibility on the basis of never say, "Never".