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I understand Stacey's complaint about smoking ceremonies and welcome ceremonies being carried out by indigenous representatives.

 

Firstly, I find it hypocritical for indigenous people to 'welcome' us. After all they claim we are the descendants of unwelcome invaders!

Why are welcoming us now? Is all forgiven?

 

Secondly I do not see the logic behind having a bunch of strangers pretending to welcome me to the land where I was born.

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What does proud mean? I see lots of people described as 'a proud nunanjali man' or similar. Does that mean there are embarrassed Nunanjali men? Can I be a proud Irish man? 

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7 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

I bet you can’t buy that backyard incinerator kit from the hardware shop any more.

I made a smokeless incinerator from two 44-gallon drums. It's the one on the right at the start of this video

 

 

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When I was last in Alice Springs, only indigenous people were allowed to have fires. Opposite us was a continually smoking " comfort" fire, yet we were not allowed to have anything similar.

We ( the missus and me ) were fixing up a previously black-tenanted house which had got burned in a fire. It ( the house ) was a tilt-slab place with the only timber used for roof trusses.

The black family tenants were good people according to the neighbors, although they certainly had nothing like a garden. So they had no hose to put out the fire and they sat on the fence watching it.

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4 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

What does proud mean? I see lots of people described as 'a proud nunanjali man' or similar. Does that mean there are embarrassed Nunanjali men? Can I be a proud Irish man? 

 

At my dad's funeral, the celebrant described him as a "proud Yorkshire man"

I can't really see the problem with the word proud.

 

Proud (to be Australian

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There is a large tract of land near our place which was the Healesville Freeway Reserve. It was decided the freeway would not be proceeded with, and it was decided the land would be turned into public parkland. It is about 3 km long.

(The red arrow points to my street.)

 

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An email from our local member today advises that work is about to begin on installing playgrounds, walking and cycling tracks, tree planting, etc. All good, except it has an unpronouncable First Nations name:

 

                                   ngarrak nakorang wilam

 

meaning “Mountain Meeting Place” – was chosen by the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung Cultural Heritage Aboriginal Corporation.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, red750 said:

 ngarrak nakorang wilam

 

It is only considered unpronounceable because it is a little new to us.    As a British immigrant (came when I was 18 months old), I am intensely proud of Australia and our unique place names. Would you rather that everything be named after English place names?  Perhaps Windsor or St George or something.

 

Look it seems to me that anyone of average intelligence should be able to cope with this,  the only (slight) trick in here is that the g in Ngarrak is silent.  It is easy, I am sure you can cope, but if not, here is how it is pronounced 

 

 

Here is a list of Australian names. I love that these names are unique to Australia. 

 

 

A←

→B←

→C←

→D←

→E←

→G←

→H←

→I←

→J←

→K←

→L←

→M←

→N←

→O←

→P←

→Q←

→R←

→S←

→T←

→U←

→W←

→Y←

Regions and shires not named after town, river, etc.

Natural features

Beaches (not named after town or suburb)

Bays

Lakes

 

Rivers

Creeks

 

Islands

Mountains, ranges etc

Deserts

Caves

Borenore

Dams

Parks and forests

National parks

Nature reserves

State forests

State Conservation Areas

Highways and main roads

 

 

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The problem is, we speak English in Australia, and it's our primary language - and it's the primary language of all the technological sections of our Western society and institutions.

It's the language of Computer Technology, it's the language of the Construction Industry, it's the language of Engineering, Science, Chemistry, Maths, and even of the Airways.

 

Are we going to try and start introducing unpronounceable Aboriginal words into all these Sciences, too? Make everyone learn a new language? The problem is, there are several hundred unpronounceable Aboriginal dialects, and many of those dialects have even died out. 

We expect immigrants to pass English skills tests - then we give them unpronounceable names in Aboriginal dialects for place names!!

 

We've already had an exercise here in the West where a tourist fell down a local waterfall. The tourists (Asians) called 000 looking for help, and when asked for the name of the recently-(Aboriginal)-renamed waterfall, they couldn't pronounce it! - thus leading to a substantial delay in getting medical assistance to them, while the 000 operator tried to figure out where they were.

 

We already have a large number of place names in W.A., from the 1800's - and they are Anglicised Aboriginal place names, or what the Aboriginal name sounded like to an English speaker.

The original settlers were happy enough to ask the local Indigenes what their name was for the area, and the settlers and colonial authorities were generally obliging enough to call the area or place by its Aboriginal reference name.

In many areas, the Aboriginals didn't have place names for locations, although they knew where they were, and they were often just referred to, as something like "the place of yams", or some other general description name, that referred to whatever they acquired in that area.

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K'GARI ISLAND .

And I thought it was hard to pronounce " K'G " ( K'GARI Island ) .

So I should  say KARI island instead of ' Mrs Fraser's Island ' .

In Victoria you have a weird mount ( ain ) ,

we around the world know as " Picnic at hanging Rock " .

Does anyone call it by it's correct name .  Mount Macedon 

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Hanging rock is to the north of Mt Macedon. The  Macedon Regional Park and the township of Macedon are universally known as that.

 

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The problem is, we speak English in Australia, and it's our primary language 

 

SydneyWhen I moved to Sydey from Adelaide, I was a bit stumped by some Sydney suburb, Sans Souci comes to mind. 

36 minutes ago, onetrack said:

We've already had an exercise here in the West where a tourist fell down a local waterfall. The tourists (Asians) called 000 looking for help, and when asked for the name of the recently-(Aboriginal)-renamed waterfall, they couldn't pronounce it!

Of the list of Australian names I posted, which ones do you think need to be changed for the safety of tourists, Woolongong or Yealerong?  We are no9t mtalkoi9ng about renaming something here. This is a new park. Do you want it to be called Earls Court or Canterbury? 

 

My son moved to NZ 11 years ago and because he is not a halfwit he leartned how to pronounce place names.  When I visit, I take the time to learn a few simple rules so as not to look like a halfwit.  Wh fff.l It is easy. 

 

I suspect that people whinging about this do not care about older established names but just hate anything new. Do these people lose their sh1t when they hear Gundagai (what should we change that to?) 

When I worked in Canberra, I did not lose my sh1t of suburbs like Ngunnawal, this was pre-internet, but I imagine I asked a proud local. 

When my son moved to NZ his tiny brain did not explode. Every country has place names that are unique and possibly not straightforward. How would you folk cope in the UK?

Woolfardisworthy (pronounced Woolz er ree)  and the list is huge.  The argument that these must be a danger to tourists is drawing a long bow, I think In terms of the name inj question,l I can't put it any simpler. The g is silent as it is in many English words.

 

Surely 

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1 minute ago, Marty_d said:

Octave, I have a feeling that Wolfie has visited you?

How dare you, only the finest Whisky  

 

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Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu .

This is NZ longest name .

But we always smiled at " Whakatāne " as it's pronounced with a F instead of W( Fakakatani ) .

Then we heard of the Fucu Maru .

My children were always saying it , like a swear word .  ( school age. ( now retired )) .

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Not sure what this has to do with how difficult Indigenous names are to pronounce.   

 

I read the article, and the people did not seem to be whinging about the rules; they just wanted to make others aware of the rules.

 

"We want to clarify the intention of this post: to openly own our mistakes caused by misunderstanding the guidelines around filming and photography at Uluru and Kata Tjuta,' she said.

'Our goal was to share honestly and help fellow travellers and creators enjoy their journeys while avoiding the same errors we made.'

'This isn't about criticism or blame, just transparency and learning,' she added."

 

 

They seem to be reasonable people; however, of course, Sky News is all for stoking outrage. If I go into an art gallery and there is a no photography rule, then that's it.

 

Again, what does this have to do with place names?   

 

 

 

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OK re phoitos at Uluru.  As usual, the conservative press tells half a story in order to stoke outrage.  When I read that article, I was led to believe that you could not take holiday snaps. Yes, you do need a permit for COMMERCIAL photography, and this does include influencers. These people were travel bloggers, I,E, making money.  Whether these rules are over the top or not is open for debate.   Here are the rules: 

 

I’m just grabbing some photos for my personal use.

 

You won’t need to get a media permit but you need to stick to the designated paths and respect the rules. There are some no-go areas and places where you can’t film. However, there are plenty of signposted areas where you can capture the essence of Australia’s Red Centre.

I’m planning to use the videos and images for commercial use.

This is where you need to get a permit and agree to a host of rules and regulations.

It is advised to get your permit well in advance.

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20 minutes ago, octave said:

 

Again, what does this have to do with place names?   

The thread is Political Correctness, not Placenames. Can you imagine America banning photos of The Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls?

 

 

 

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