facthunter Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 You are putting my anti depressant bill UP. Collateral damage? Nev
nomadpete Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 I understand Stacey's complaint about smoking ceremonies and welcome ceremonies being carried out by indigenous representatives. Firstly, I find it hypocritical for indigenous people to 'welcome' us. After all they claim we are the descendants of unwelcome invaders! Why are welcoming us now? Is all forgiven? Secondly I do not see the logic behind having a bunch of strangers pretending to welcome me to the land where I was born. 1 1
pmccarthy Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 I bet you can’t buy that backyard incinerator kit from the hardware shop any more. 1
pmccarthy Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 What does proud mean? I see lots of people described as 'a proud nunanjali man' or similar. Does that mean there are embarrassed Nunanjali men? Can I be a proud Irish man? 1
old man emu Posted July 5, 2023 Author Posted July 5, 2023 7 hours ago, pmccarthy said: I bet you can’t buy that backyard incinerator kit from the hardware shop any more. I made a smokeless incinerator from two 44-gallon drums. It's the one on the right at the start of this video 1
Bruce Tuncks Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 When I was last in Alice Springs, only indigenous people were allowed to have fires. Opposite us was a continually smoking " comfort" fire, yet we were not allowed to have anything similar. We ( the missus and me ) were fixing up a previously black-tenanted house which had got burned in a fire. It ( the house ) was a tilt-slab place with the only timber used for roof trusses. The black family tenants were good people according to the neighbors, although they certainly had nothing like a garden. So they had no hose to put out the fire and they sat on the fence watching it. 1
red750 Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, pmccarthy said: I see lots of people described as 'a proud nunanjali man' or similar. Maybe they are LGBTIQ. 1
octave Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, pmccarthy said: What does proud mean? I see lots of people described as 'a proud nunanjali man' or similar. Does that mean there are embarrassed Nunanjali men? Can I be a proud Irish man? At my dad's funeral, the celebrant described him as a "proud Yorkshire man" I can't really see the problem with the word proud. Proud (to be Australian 1 1
red750 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 There is a large tract of land near our place which was the Healesville Freeway Reserve. It was decided the freeway would not be proceeded with, and it was decided the land would be turned into public parkland. It is about 3 km long. (The red arrow points to my street.) An email from our local member today advises that work is about to begin on installing playgrounds, walking and cycling tracks, tree planting, etc. All good, except it has an unpronouncable First Nations name: ngarrak nakorang wilam meaning “Mountain Meeting Place” – was chosen by the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung Cultural Heritage Aboriginal Corporation. 1
octave Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, red750 said: ngarrak nakorang wilam It is only considered unpronounceable because it is a little new to us. As a British immigrant (came when I was 18 months old), I am intensely proud of Australia and our unique place names. Would you rather that everything be named after English place names? Perhaps Windsor or St George or something. Look it seems to me that anyone of average intelligence should be able to cope with this, the only (slight) trick in here is that the g in Ngarrak is silent. It is easy, I am sure you can cope, but if not, here is how it is pronounced Here is a list of Australian names. I love that these names are unique to Australia. A← Adaminaby Adelong Ajana[3] Adelong Akuna Bay Aldinga Allambie Allambie Heights Allanooka Allawah Allora Amaroo Amelup Anembo Angledool Angourie Angurugu Anula Arakoon Araluen Arana Hills Aranda Aratula Ardmona Areyonga Argalong Arrawarra Arrino[3] Attunga Aurukun Awaba →B← Baandee[3] Babakin[3] Badgebup[3] Badgingarra[3] Badjaling[3] Bailup[4] Baladjie[3] Balagundi[3] Balarang Balbarrup[3] Balcatta[4] Balga[4] Balgarri[3] Balingup[3] Ballarat Balkuling[3] Ballaballa[3] Bamaga Banya Banyo Barangaroo Bardoc[3] Bargo Baringa Barra Brui (East Gordon) Barraba Barragup[4] Baryulgil Beerburrum Beechina[4] Beeliar[4] Beerwah Bega Bellambi Bellara Bellata Bejoording[3] Belka[3] Belmunging[3] Bemboka Benalla Bencubbin[3] Bendering[3] Benjaberring[3] Berala Berrara Beria[3] Bermagui Berowra Berri Bewong Creek Bilbarin[3] Billimari Biloela Binalong Bindi Bindi[3] Bindoon[3] Binnaway Binningup[3] Binna Burra Binnu[3] Birralee Birrong Birtinya Bli Bli Bodalla Bodallin[3] Buddina Bogan Gate Boggabilla Boggabri Bolaro Bolgart[3] Bolong Bomaderry Bombala Bombo Bondi Bong Bong Bongaree Boodarockin[3] Boogardie[3] Boolading[3] Boolaroo Booligal Boonoo Boonoo Boorabbin[3] Booragoon[4] Boorara[3] Boorowa Boreen Point Bowelling[3] Bowgada[3] Bowral Boya[4] Boyanup[3] Boyup Brook[3] Bredbo Brit Brit Broulee Brundee Buderim Budgewoi Bulimba Bullaring[3] Bulli Buln Buln Bullaburra Bulong[3] Bung Bong Bundamba Bundanoon Bundeena Bungulla[3] Bunjil[3] Bunyip Burakin[3] Buraja Burekup[3] Burpengary Buronga Burracoppin[3] Burran Rock[3] Burraneer Buttaba →C← Caboolture Cabramatta Cabramurra Calga Calingiri[3] Caiguna Callala Caloundra Cammeray Canbelego Canberra Candelo Canna[3] Carbunup River[3] Cardup[4] Caringbah Carnamah[3] Caron[3] Carrabin[3] Carramar[4] Chinocup[3] Chittering[3] Clackline[3] Clybucca Cobargo Cocklebiddy Collarenebri Collaroy Conargo Condingup[3] Congelin[3] Coodanup[4] Coogee Coogee[4] Cookernup[3] Coolac Coolah Coolamon Coolangatta Coolbellup[4] Coolbinia[4] Coolgardie[3] Coolimba[3] Cooloongup[4] Coolup[3] Cooma Coomalbidgup[3] Coonabarabran Coonamble Coonawarra Cooran Coorow[3] Cooroy Cootamundra (but Cootamundry Creek) Coraki Coramba Cordering[3] Corowa Corrigin[3] Corrimal Corryong Couridjah Corindi Cowandilla Cowaramup[3] Cowcowing[3] Cowra Cringila Cronulla Cuballing[3] Cuddingwarra[3] Cudgewa Cudmirrah Culburra Cullacabardee[4] Cunderdin[3] Cunjerong Point Curl Curl Currambine[4] Currarong Currumbin Currumundi →D← Dalaroo[3] Dalwallinu[3] Dalyup[3] Dandaragan[3] Dandenong Dangin[3] Dardanup[3] Darkan[3] Dapto Dattening[3] Deniliquin Derrimut Dharruk Diddillibah Dinninup[3] Dimbulah Dirranbandi Doonan Drik Drik Drouin Dongara[3] Doodlakine[3] Dooralong Dowerin[3] Dubbo Dudinin[3] Dukin[3] Dumbleyung[3] Dungog Duranillin[3] Duri Dwarda[3] Dwellingup[3] →E← Echuca Echunga Ejanding[3] Elanora Eleebana Eneabba[3] Eradu[3] Erina Ettalong Ettamogah Eucla[3] Eugowra Eujinyn[3] Eulaminna[3] Eumundi Eungai Euroa Eurobodalla Eurunderee →G← Gabanintha[3] Gabbin[3] Gagalba Galong Ganmain Garah Geelong Gerogery Gerringong Gidgegannup[4] Gilgandra Gindalbie[3] Gingin[3] Ginninderra Giralang Girraween Girrawheen[4] Gnangara[4] Gnowangerup[3] Goodna Goodooga Gooloogong Goomalling[3] Goondi Goondiwindi Goonellabah Goonengerry Goongarrie[3] Goonoo Goonoo Goornong[5] Gringegalgona Grong Grong Gulargambone Gunbalanya Gudarra[3] Gulgong Gullewa[3] Gundagai Gundamaian Gundaroo Gungahlin Gunnedah Gunyidi[3] Guyra Gwambygine[3] Gwelup[4] Gymea →H← Howatharra[3] Howlong →I← Illabo Illaroo Illalong Illawong Iluka[4] Inala Indooroopilly Ingebyra Innaloo[4] Imbil →J← Jamberoo Jandabup[4] Jannali Jardee[3] Jeebropilly Jennacubbine[3] Jeparit Jerangle Jerdacuttup[3] Jerrabomberra Jerramungup[3] Jimboomba Jincumbilly Jindabyne Jindalee, Queensland Jindalee[4] Jingalup[3] Jindabyne Jindera Jingellic Jitarning[3] Joondalup[4] Jugiong →K← Kalamunda[4] Kalannie[3] Kalbarri[3] Kaleen Kalgan[3] Kalgoorlie[3] Kallangur Kallaroo[4] Kalli Kambah Kambalda[3] Kameruka Kanahooka Kangy Angy Kanowna[3] Kanwal Karawara[4] Karrabin Karingal Karangi Kardinya[4] Kareela Kariong Karlgarin[3] Karnup[4] Karragullen[4] Karrakatta[4] Karrakup[4] Karratha[3] Karridale[3] Karrinyup Karuah Karumba Katanning[3] Katoomba Kauring[3] Kebaringup[3] Kellerberrin[3] Kemblawarra Kendenup[3] Keperra Kerang Khancoban Kiah Kiama Kiara[4] Kiewa Kiley Killara Kirrawee Kirribilli Kirup[3] Kogarah Kojonup[3] Kokardine[3] Konnongorring[3] Koo Wee Rup Koojan[3] Koolan[3] Koolanooka[3] Koolewong Koolyanobbing[3] Koonawarra Koondoola[4] Koongamia[4] Koorda[3] Kooragang Koreelah Korrelocking[3] Kooringal Korumburra Kotara Kowanyama Krambach Kudardup[3] Kukerin[3] Kulikup[3] Kulin[3] Kulja[3] Kulyalling[3] Kumari Kundana[3] Kunjin[3] Kununoppin[3] Kununurra[3] Kuranda Kurnalpi[3] Kurnell Kurrawang[3] Kweda[3] Kwelkan[3] Kwinana[4] Kwolyin[3] Kyancutta Kyogle Kurri Kurri Kyabram Kyeemagh Kywong →L← Lake Cooroibah Lameroo Lang Lang Larrakeyah Legana Lenah Valley Leongatha Leumeah Leura Liawenee Lilli Pilli Loorana Lurnea Lutana →M← Magati Ke Malanda Maleny Mallina[3] Malua Bay Manangatang Mandiga[3] Mandogalup[4] Manera Heights Mandurah[4] Mandurama Mandurang Maningrida Manildra Manilla Manjimup[3] Manmanning[3] Maralinga Marangaroo[4] Marayong Marbelup[3] Marchagee[3] Mardella[4] Mareeba Marmong Point Maroochydore Maroota Maroubra Mareeba Marree Maribyrnong Mariginiup[4] Mathoura Matong Maya[3] Mayanup[3] Maydena Meckering[3] Meekatharra[3] Meenaar[3] Mendooran Menindee Merimbula Merredin[3] Merriwa[4] Merrygoen Mia Mia Michelago Miling[3] Millaa Millaa Millmerran Milparinka Milperra Mindarie[4] Minnamurra Mingenew[3] Minyip Mirrabooka[4] Mittagong Moama Moe Mogo Monbulk Mollymook Moodiarrup[3] Moojebing[3] Mooloolaba Moonah Moonbi Mooloolaba Mooney Mooney Moonijin[3] Moora[3] Moorabbin Moorine Rock[3] Moornaming[3] Moorooka Mooroolbark Mooroopna Moorumbine[3] Morawa[3] Mordialloc Moree Moruya Moulyining[3] Mount Colah Mount Ku-ring-gai Mount Warrigal Muchea[3] Mudgee Mudjimba Muja[3] Mukinbudin[3] Mulgarrie[3] Mulgoa Mullaloo[4] Mullalyup[3] Mullengandra (formerly Mullanjandra) Mullewa[3] Mulline[3] Mullumbimby Mulwarrie[3] Mundaring[4] Mundijong[4] Mundubbera Mungindi Mungalup[3] Munglinup[3] Muntadgin[3] Murarrie Muradup[3] Murdunna Murrin Murrin[3] Murrumba Downs Murrumbeena Murrumburrah Murrurundi Murwillumbah Myalup[3] Myaree[4] →N← Nabawa[3] Nabiac Nalkain[3] Nalya[3] Nambrok Nambucca Nana Glen Nangeenan[3] Nannine[3] Nannup[3] Naracoopa Naraling[3] Narara Nareena Hills Narembeen[3] Naremburn Narkal[3] Narooma Narwee Narrabeen Narrabri Narrabundah Narrandera Nar Nar Goon Narngulu[3] Narrabundah Narrandera Narrawallee Narre Warren Narraweena Narrikup[3] Narrogin[3] Narromine Needilup[3] Neendaling[3] Neerabup[4] Nelligen Nemingha Nerriga Nerrigundah Ngunnawal Nhulunbuy Nimmitabel Ningi Nippering[3] Nirimba Noarlunga Noggerup[3] Nollamara[4] Noojee[3] Noongal[3] Noongar[3] Noosa North Dandalup[3] North Yunderup[4] Nowergup[4] Nowra Nugadong[3] Nullagine[3] Numbah Nungarin[3] Nungatta Nunngarra[3] Nuriootpa Nyabing[3] Nyngan →O← Omeo Ongerup[3] Ourimbah Ouyen →P← Pambula Papunya Panania Pannawonica[3] Parraburdoo[3] Paringa Parramatta Patchewollock Patonga Pawleena Pegarah Pemulwuy Penna Perenjori[3] Peringillup[3] Pialligo Piawaning[3] Pindar[3] Pingaring[3] Pingelly[3] Pingrup[3] Pinjar[4] Pinjarra[3] Pintharuka[3] Pinwernying[3] Pithara[3] Poatina Pooncarie Pootenup[3] Popanyinning[3] Pormpuraaw Porongurup Primbee Pyree →Q← Quaama Quairading[3] Qualeup[3] Quambone Queanbeyan Quandialla Quigup[3] Quindalup[3] Quindanning[3] Quirindi →R← Ramingining Reekara →S← South Kumminin[3] South Yunderup[4] →T← Tahmoor Talbingo Tallangatta Tallawarra Tallebudgera Tambellup[3] Tammin[3] Tangambalanga Tanilba Bay Tanunda Tarago Taralga Taranna Tarcutta Taree Taringa Taroo Taroona Tarragindi Tarraleah Tarrawanna Tarzali Tathra Telarah Tenindewa[3] Teralba Terara Terrigal Tewantin Tharwa Thirroul Thredbo Thurgoona Tibooburra Tilpa Timbillica Tincurrin[3] Tingalpa Tingha Tintaldra Tolga Tomerong Tongarra Toodyay[3] Toogoolawah Toukley Toolibin[3] Tooloom Toombul Toongabbie Toowong Toowoomba Toolijooa Toowong Toukley Towradgi Towrang Trangie Trayning[3] Tuckanarra[3] Tuggerah Tuggeranong Tuggerawong Tullimbar Tumbarumba Tumbi Umbi Tumblong Tumut Tuncurry Tura Beach Turlinjah Turramurra →U← Uki Umina Unanderra Uraidla Uriarra Uralla Urana Urunga →W← Wadalba Waddamanna Wadderin[3] Wagaman Wagerup[3] Wagga Wagga Wagin[3] Wahroonga Walbundrie Walcha Walgoolan[3] Walla Walla Wallabadah Wallangarra Wallerawang Walwa Wamberal Wanaaring Wandandian Wandering[3] Wandi[4] Wandoan Wangaratta Wangi Wangi Wannamal[3] Wannanup[4] Wanneroo[4] Wantirna Waramanga Warana Waratah Warrimoo Waroona Warrachuppin[3] Warragul Warralakin[3] Warrandyte Warrawong Warrnambool Warumbul Watheroo[3] Wee Waa Welbungin[3] Werombi Weetangera Werribee West Toodyay[3] Wialki[3] Wickepin[3] Widgiemooltha[3] Wilcannia Wilga[3] Wilkawatt Willagee[4] Willunga Wiluna[3] Windang Windellama Wingala Wingello Wodalba Wodonga Wogarl[3] Wokalup[6] Wollombi Wollomombi Wollongong Wooloowin Wonboyn Wongai Wongan Hills[3] Wonnerup[3] Woodanilling[3] Woodarra[3] Woolgoolga Wooli Woollahra Woolloomooloo Woolloongabba Woongarra Woori Yallock Woorim Wombarra Wongawilli Woodenbong Woolgoolga Woollamia Woomargamah Woomera Woonona Wooroloo[4] Wonthaggi Worrigee Woy Woy Wubin[3] Wujal Wujal Wulkuraka Wundowie[3] Wurtulla Wyalkatchem[3] Wyee Wyening[3] Wymah Wyong Wyongah →Y← Yackandandah Yagoona Yalgoo[3] Yallah Yallakool Yallambie Yalup Brook[3] Yalwal Yamba Yambacoona Yanchep[4] Yanco Yandanooka[3] Yanderra Yandina Yarrahapinni Yerrinbool Yangebup[4] Yanmah[3] Yannawah Yannergee Yantabulla Yarding[3] Yarloop[3] Yaroomba Yarrabah Yarrabandai Yarralumla Yarram Yarramalong Yarraman Yarrawarrah Yarrawonga Yarra Bay Yarri[3] Yatala Yattalonga Yatte Yattah Yealering[3] Yeerongpilly Yelbeni[3] Yellowdine[3] Yennora Yeppoon Yerecoin[3] Yeronga Yerrinbool Yilliminning[3] Yirrkala Yokine Yolla Yoogali Yornaning[3] Yoting[3] Youanmi[3] Youndegin[3] Yoweragabbie[3] Yowie Bay Yowrie Yuendumu Yulara Yullundry Yuluma Yuna[3] Yundamindera[3] Yungaburra Yunndaga[3] Regions and shires not named after town, river, etc. Banyule City Council Baryulgil Barrenjoey Boroondara City Council Buloke Shire Corangamite Shire Demondrille Shire (abolished) Eurobodalla Shire Gannawarra Shire Illawarra Ku-ring-gai Municipality Moorabool Shire Mulwaree Shire (abolished) Murrumbidgee Murrundindi Shire Ngaanyatjarraku Nillumbik Shire Orana Region Pilbara Warringah Shire Yarriambiack Shire Natural features Beaches (not named after town or suburb) Belongil Bouddi Bulgo Beach Bungan Elouera Era Beach (North and South) Garie Beach Tamarama Beach Wanda Wattamolla Werri Beach Werrong Beach Bays Akuna Careel Curracurrang Cove Curracurrong Cove Erowal Bay Gunamatta Malua Myuna Bay Tanilba Bay Toowoon Waratah Yowie Lakes Budgewoi Bungunnia Burrendong Burrill Lake Cargelligo Lake Canobolas Catagunyah Lake Conjola Coomaditchy Lagoon Coongie Etamunbanie Minigwal Lake Mokoan (now demolished) Moondah Lake Mulwala Lake Munmorah Noondie Parangana Lake Tabourie Tuggerah Uloowaranie Yamma Yamma Yantabangee Yarra Yarra Rivers Barcoo Barwon Bega Belubula River Belyando Bemboka River Bogan Bokhara River[citation needed] Bombala Boorowa River Brogo River Bulloo Bungala Capertee River Colo Coolaburragundy Crackenback River Cudgegong Culgoa Eucumbene River Goobarragandra River Goolwa Gudgenby River Kalang River Kalgan Kedumba River Kolan Kowmung River Maranoa River Maribyrnong Maroochy Mehi Minnamurra Mitta Mitta Molonglo Mooki Moonie Muleurundi (supplanted by use of name MacDonald River, Bendemeer) Munyang River Murrumbidgee Myponga Nambucca Namoi Narram Nattai River Nerang River Nogoa Noosa River Nowendoc River Nymboida Onkaparinga Orara Pallinup Paroo Parramatta Queanbeyan Ringarooma Talbragar Tamar Tambo Tooma River Tumut River Wallagaraugh River Warragamba River Warrego Willochra Wingecarribee River Wolgan River Wollondilly River Woronora Yankalilla Yappar Yarra Yass (corruption of Ngunnawal word Yarh) Creeks Cabramatta Cockabutta Currumbene Creek Eungai Kinchela Creek Mingera Mullum Mullum Tantawangalo Creek Wallarah Creek Wollemi Wongo Djerriwarrh Islands Kooragang Island K'gari Island Mountains, ranges etc Mount Baranduda Mount Baw Baw Beerwah Mount Bimberi Bindook Tableland Mount Bingar Bogong High Plains Boorowa River (formerly Burrowa) Brindabella Range Budawang Range Mount Buller Bungle Bungle Range Bunya Mountains Burrup Peninsula Bywong Hills Caloola Pass Mount Canobolas Chincogan Conimbla Range Coonoowrin Mount Dandenong Dandenong Ranges Dargo High Plains Dederang Gap Mount Goonaneman Kanangra Walls Mount Kaputar Kata Tjuta Keajura Gap Mount Keira Mount Kembla Kyeamba Gap Moonbi Range Mount Moonbil Mumbulla Mountain Munghorn Gap Nandewar Range Mount Nardi Tibrogargan Mount Tilga Tinderry Range Mount Ulandra Uluru Mount Wandera Watagan Mountains Warrumbungle Range Wilpena Pound Wollumbin (Mount Warning) Wundu (Thornton's Peak) Mount Yarrahapinni You Yangs Deserts Tanami Desert Tirari Desert Caves Bendethera Bungonia Colong Coolamon Jenolan Tuglow Yarrongobilly Borenore Dams Bendora Blowering Burrendong Burrinjuck Corin Eucumbene Googong Jounama Pondage Pindari Tantangara Wyangala Parks and forests National parks Arakoon Arakwal Barool Baw Baw Bendidee Boonoo Boonoo Bouddi Budawang Bundjalung Burrowa Canunda Coopracambra Coorong Croajingolong Currawinya Dharug Dipperu Dunggir Eurobodalla Garigal Japoon Kakadu Karijini Kuringgai Marramarra Muoganmarra Nangar Nattai Nymboida Onkaparinga River Porongurup Purnululu Tamborine Tarra-Bulga Terrick Terrick Uluru-Kata Tjuta Witjira Wollemi Wyrrabalong Yarra Ranges Yengo Nature reserves Muogamarra State forests Bago Barmah Belanglo Bodalla Bondo Buckenbowra Buckingbong Bulga Bullala Bungongo Burrawan Chaelundi Cobaw Cobboboonee Colymea Conjola Corrabare Croobyar Currambine Currowan Dingo Drajurk Etoo Ewingar Gibberagee Gilwarny Goonoo Grahway Ingalba Jenolan Kioloa Malara Maragle Moruya Murrah Nerong Ourimbah Pilliga Pokolbin Riamukka Tallaganda Tamban Tillarook Toolangi Tuggolo Wang Wauk Weecurra Wingello Wombat Woomargama Wyong Yadboro Yalwal Yarratt State Conservation Areas Whian Whian Highways and main roads Ballambur Street Ballandella Road Barrenjoey Road Belconnen Way Bindubi Street Bunnerong Road Canberra Avenue Coranderrk Street Ginninderra Drive Gundaroo Drive Gungahlin Drive Jerrabomberra Avenue Kamilaroi Highway Majura Parkway Maroondah Highway Menang Drive[7] Milperra Road Mirrabei Drive Monaro Highway Namitjira Drive Oodnadatta Track Tharwa Drive Tuggeranong Parkway Warrego Highway Wilman Wadandi Highway[8] Warrigal Road Warringah Road Woniora Road Yamba Drive 1
red750 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 If you say to someone, "I'll meet you at ngarrak nakorang wilam park", they'll say, "Where the hell is that?" 1
onetrack Posted August 26 Posted August 26 The problem is, we speak English in Australia, and it's our primary language - and it's the primary language of all the technological sections of our Western society and institutions. It's the language of Computer Technology, it's the language of the Construction Industry, it's the language of Engineering, Science, Chemistry, Maths, and even of the Airways. Are we going to try and start introducing unpronounceable Aboriginal words into all these Sciences, too? Make everyone learn a new language? The problem is, there are several hundred unpronounceable Aboriginal dialects, and many of those dialects have even died out. We expect immigrants to pass English skills tests - then we give them unpronounceable names in Aboriginal dialects for place names!! We've already had an exercise here in the West where a tourist fell down a local waterfall. The tourists (Asians) called 000 looking for help, and when asked for the name of the recently-(Aboriginal)-renamed waterfall, they couldn't pronounce it! - thus leading to a substantial delay in getting medical assistance to them, while the 000 operator tried to figure out where they were. We already have a large number of place names in W.A., from the 1800's - and they are Anglicised Aboriginal place names, or what the Aboriginal name sounded like to an English speaker. The original settlers were happy enough to ask the local Indigenes what their name was for the area, and the settlers and colonial authorities were generally obliging enough to call the area or place by its Aboriginal reference name. In many areas, the Aboriginals didn't have place names for locations, although they knew where they were, and they were often just referred to, as something like "the place of yams", or some other general description name, that referred to whatever they acquired in that area.
spacesailor Posted August 26 Posted August 26 K'GARI ISLAND . And I thought it was hard to pronounce " K'G " ( K'GARI Island ) . So I should say KARI island instead of ' Mrs Fraser's Island ' . In Victoria you have a weird mount ( ain ) , we around the world know as " Picnic at hanging Rock " . Does anyone call it by it's correct name . Mount Macedon spacesailor
red750 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Hanging rock is to the north of Mt Macedon. The Macedon Regional Park and the township of Macedon are universally known as that. 1
octave Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) The problem is, we speak English in Australia, and it's our primary language SydneyWhen I moved to Sydey from Adelaide, I was a bit stumped by some Sydney suburb, Sans Souci comes to mind. 36 minutes ago, onetrack said: We've already had an exercise here in the West where a tourist fell down a local waterfall. The tourists (Asians) called 000 looking for help, and when asked for the name of the recently-(Aboriginal)-renamed waterfall, they couldn't pronounce it! Of the list of Australian names I posted, which ones do you think need to be changed for the safety of tourists, Woolongong or Yealerong? We are no9t mtalkoi9ng about renaming something here. This is a new park. Do you want it to be called Earls Court or Canterbury? My son moved to NZ 11 years ago and because he is not a halfwit he leartned how to pronounce place names. When I visit, I take the time to learn a few simple rules so as not to look like a halfwit. Wh fff.l It is easy. I suspect that people whinging about this do not care about older established names but just hate anything new. Do these people lose their sh1t when they hear Gundagai (what should we change that to?) When I worked in Canberra, I did not lose my sh1t of suburbs like Ngunnawal, this was pre-internet, but I imagine I asked a proud local. When my son moved to NZ his tiny brain did not explode. Every country has place names that are unique and possibly not straightforward. How would you folk cope in the UK? Woolfardisworthy (pronounced Woolz er ree) and the list is huge. The argument that these must be a danger to tourists is drawing a long bow, I think In terms of the name inj question,l I can't put it any simpler. The g is silent as it is in many English words. Surely . Edited August 26 by octave 1
octave Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 minute ago, Marty_d said: Octave, I have a feeling that Wolfie has visited you? How dare you, only the finest Whisky 1 1
red750 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Here is the map again with a few locality identifiers added. 1
red750 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 From Facebook today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15030881/Uluru-photos-rules-fines.html?ito=social-facebook_Australia and https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/20-fineable-offences-aussie-couples-shock-email-three-months-after-uluru-trip/news-story/3ee2ecc0c2033607b84bcea57de2d071?utm_campaign=EditorialSB&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_content=SocialBakers 1
spacesailor Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu . This is NZ longest name . But we always smiled at " Whakatāne " as it's pronounced with a F instead of W( Fakakatani ) . Then we heard of the Fucu Maru . My children were always saying it , like a swear word . ( school age. ( now retired )) . spacesailor 1
octave Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Not sure what this has to do with how difficult Indigenous names are to pronounce. I read the article, and the people did not seem to be whinging about the rules; they just wanted to make others aware of the rules. "We want to clarify the intention of this post: to openly own our mistakes caused by misunderstanding the guidelines around filming and photography at Uluru and Kata Tjuta,' she said. 'Our goal was to share honestly and help fellow travellers and creators enjoy their journeys while avoiding the same errors we made.' 'This isn't about criticism or blame, just transparency and learning,' she added." They seem to be reasonable people; however, of course, Sky News is all for stoking outrage. If I go into an art gallery and there is a no photography rule, then that's it. Again, what does this have to do with place names?
octave Posted August 26 Posted August 26 OK re phoitos at Uluru. As usual, the conservative press tells half a story in order to stoke outrage. When I read that article, I was led to believe that you could not take holiday snaps. Yes, you do need a permit for COMMERCIAL photography, and this does include influencers. These people were travel bloggers, I,E, making money. Whether these rules are over the top or not is open for debate. Here are the rules: I’m just grabbing some photos for my personal use. You won’t need to get a media permit but you need to stick to the designated paths and respect the rules. There are some no-go areas and places where you can’t film. However, there are plenty of signposted areas where you can capture the essence of Australia’s Red Centre. I’m planning to use the videos and images for commercial use. This is where you need to get a permit and agree to a host of rules and regulations. It is advised to get your permit well in advance.
red750 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 20 minutes ago, octave said: Again, what does this have to do with place names? The thread is Political Correctness, not Placenames. Can you imagine America banning photos of The Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls? 1
spacesailor Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Or. photograph the ( offending ) sign . Make sure the background is in focus, . LoL spacesailor 1
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