Aussie Nukes

[Marty_d]

18 minutes ago, old man emu said:

You hair-ist lot! You'll chase after dumb blondes, so why not dumb redheads?

There's dumb, and then there's malevolent (AND dumb).

[octave]

My favorite moment of the Hanson clip is at the 50 second mark. "did you pacifically go looking for a diesel submarine?"

[Jerry_Atrick]

I noted that, too.. but thought she was referring to the regional area the subs would be used

 

Or maybe she mean pacifiably?

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by Jerry_Atrick

[onetrack]

It's hard to figure out if she's saying "specifically" or "pacifically", I've replayed her saying it over and over again - but I think she's trying to say "specifically", but it comes out "pacifically".

 

I just had a discussion about it with SWMBO, and she reckons she's noticed Pauline saying "pacifically" for "specifically", time and time again. But Pauline's not alone, this is a common speaking error.

 

SWMBO has a close friend who is a highly qualified pharmacist, who has been in charge of medicines in a major hospital for decades - and she says "pacifically" for "specifically".

 

But's she's Kiwi, so we reckon she's got a valid excuse, because they speak a whole lot different dialect to the rest of us West Islanders.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by onetrack

[nomadpete]

Malcolm Turnbull seemed to be able to explain the submarine evolution in easily understood terms.  In his address to the Press Club, today.

 

[Marty_d]

I like the way that SfM can't get through to Emmanuel Macron but Malcolm's had a chat with him.  That must be all kinds of embarrassing for Scotty.  What happens when you make up foreign policy on the run without thought for the consequences.

[old man emu]

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

I like the way that SfM can't get through to Emmanuel Macron but Malcolm's had a chat with him

Just shows that M. Macron is a man of taste and distinction. 

[Dax]

Here's an interesting take on the purchase, will leave it to others as to it's credibility, but it seems pretty close to the truth.

 

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/has-pm-put-australia-on-the-hook-to-finance-struggling-uk-us-submarine-projects/

[old man emu]

I find it amazing that in WWll, Germany built 1,162 U-boats, of which 785 were destroyed. All the while, its industrial centres were having the Scheisse bombed out of them. Now in "peace time" it takes decades to produce one submarine and keep it operational. You can't tell me that the delay is caused by an inability to supply things from galley ovens to fire control systems in a timely manner. 

 

If automotive industry was like the submarine building industry, we'd still be driving around in these 

[facthunter]

A fair bit of Slave Labour used in Germany during the war.. Nev

[old man emu]

Robot: from Czech robotnik "forced worker," from robota "forced labor, compulsory service, drudgery," from robotiti "to work, drudge," from an Old Czech source akin to Old Church Slavonic rabota "servitude," from rabu "slave"

 

Slave: originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples.

The oldest written history of the Slavs can be shortly summarised--myriads of slave hunts and the enthralment of entire peoples. The Slav was the most prized of human goods. With increased strength outside his marshy land of origin, hardened to the utmost against all privation, industrious, content with little, good-humoured, and cheerful, he filled the slave markets of Europe, Asia, and Africa.

 

However, you can't slave over a hot stove if your stove has been bombed to pieces.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Just to digress - OME you probably have won the eternal respect and admiration of my son. He has taken a keen interest in history and is always banging on about how the Slavs were the first slaves (in Europe) but no one seems to be interested in righting the past misdeeds for them, etc.

 

Germany's war machine was assisted by slave labour, but England and the US managed break neck speeds manufacture as well, some of it by appropriating heavy civilian manufacturing capacity to the war effort, but some by simply throwing more people and resources at it.

 

However, to compare the rates of manufacture to today is a bit like apples and oranges.. or maybe pears.. There have been advances in manufacture techniques and technology to speed things up, but there is also a lot more technology that goes into those boats. I am sure today, we can spit out hulls faster than ever before, but you can;t assemble the darned things into a finished product until all those new langled tech bits are installed and tested along the way.

 

In war conditions, it would probably be faster as well..

[Fliteright]

War has always advanced technology & in this case mans desire to kill each other faster than any other method!

Edited September 30, 2021 by Fliteright

[Jerry_Atrick]

Sadly, true... as is the desire of some to profit from it

[Fliteright]

Like they say.....it's a poor war if someone isn't making a profit from it!

[pmccarthy]

Aero engines and wartime. What a great example of evolution under extreme natural selection.

[facthunter]

I have to give the Poms credit for achieving so much under adversity. ALL the auto and motorcycle manufacturing resources went into war effort. Their aircraft were particularly notable but shortages of materials must have been an issue. As it became in Germany later. Nev

[onetrack]

For what it's worth, the radial aero engine was fully developed by the mid 1930's. I've seen an ad from 1937 where P&W were bragging about having already produced 10,000 radial engines.

 

The only thing WW2 did as far as aero engines goes, was simply produce bigger and more powerful ones. The basic design changed little. Turbo-superchargers were produced in far greater numbers during WW2 due to the need for high altitude flight, but turbo-superchargers were in use before WW2.

 

It was just fortunate that Cadillac had the engineering skills and machine tools to be able to produce lots of turbo-superchargers for the War effort, as they required exceptionally fine tolerances and machining.

[facthunter]

Not many radials had TURBO chargers other than notably the special  P&W 1830's that powered the Liberators to get them to high altitudes for their safety,  but the design of a radial suites  a  centrifugal supercharger located at the rear of the engine but directly ON it which also helps EVEN the fuel distribution which is an issue with radials. Some  fighters had the S/c s down the back of the plane with lot's of piping and attendant losses. 

    Many bigger radials also had 2 speed superchargers where you "manually" changed the gears to a higher speed to climb to cruise at higher altitudes for the pressurised passenger aircraft that came just after the War but even the non pressurised C54 /DC-4 had them too (ORIGINALY) but it was locked out on most civilian operators fleets. The ultimate fuel efficient radial had power recovery turbines  3  driven from the exhaust gases  The Lockheed 1049C Super constellation had these. When they are cruising the exhaust pipes run hot enough to read a paper by. The exhaust valves would be at  a similar temperature.    They had reliability issues , as did the 4 row "corncob' motors fitted to Boeing Strato Cruisers   High altitudes give ignition problems with leakage . Ignition analysers were able to be used in flight at the flight engineer's station. Nev

Edited October 1, 2021 by facthunter
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[willedoo]

On the flip side, WW2 put some R&D on the back burner. Before the war, during the 30's, the Soviets had started development work on a turboprop engine and an axial flow compressor turbojet. All that stopped to concentrate on the war effort to produce conventional engines.

[Marty_d]

Jeez Nev, your depth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me.

[Jerry_Atrick]

These guys are just gold:

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

An interesting take on Aukus

 

[willedoo]

At the G20.

I wonder what Macron is thinking in this photo? Possibly "Gee Scott, you've explained it perfectly. I forgive you." Or would it be something more like "Take your hand off me, you smirking buffoon.". It's all in the eyes.

 

 

[facthunter]

Morrison has perfected the "forced" handshake. Pity Ardern.  She had to rub noses with HIM.   The "Hands on" approach can do miracles but making Macron like him is more than a miracle can perform.. Why would the Frenchman give Scotty from marketing another chance to DUD him?

   Australians used to get a good reception in France.  I guess that's a thing of the past.  Nev