The climate change debate continues.

[Jerry_Atrick]

22 hours ago, facthunter said:

Tesla model y and 3 are considered amongst the best buys second hand EVs. Nev

At the risk of thread drift, they may be, but the used EV market is, at best, immature still. Also, I guess the used market is a measure of what has been, not what is coming.  And, although not a fan boy, I like Teslas..  

 

My point is that Tesla's engineering - once pioneering - seems to have been well overtaken. Yes, the Chinese have the state subsidies Tesla doesn't directly get (and probably indirectly reduced significantly since Musk's spat with Chump), but even in the innovation stakes, Tesla seems to be falling behind.. The Cyberfluck was a vanity project gone massively wrong., so let's discount that one. But, they have been at EV trucks for years and it looks like they have yet to crack that one. Their EV car offerings don't seem to have moved that much, and their quality control (at least in the USA plant) is apparently still woeful. And we shoudl remember, Tesla is a single company, not some institutionalised dev and research centre. 

 

Of course, they are a single company that is multi-faceted facing a whole industry (or number of industries). and I should have contextualised my observation to the EV market rather than everything Tesla does.. And maybe that is part of the problem for Tesla (not including Spacex in that).. They are in so many pies, will they be tha jack of all and master off none. So, I asked Chat where they stood against their competitors for innovation. There were too many categories to take a screen shot, so here is Chat's analysis (lazy, I know):

• AI Driving (autonomous I guess): Strongest commercially scalable but competitors have better proven tech
• Robotaxi/Cybercab: Middle of the range
• AI hardware: Most vertically scalable - ahead of the pack
• Batteries; Middle of the range on technology (still leading commercial position).
• Fast charging: Has been overtaken - Now at the lower end of the pack. Note, that could be commercially - Chat didn't say, so lets say it is in the middle of the pack now technically
• Charging Ecosystem (I am guessing this is the commercial bit): Ahead of the game with over 80k installations
• Grid batteries: Still ahead of the game
• Commercial humanoid robots: Potential there; behind the pack for deployment. 
• Solar home energy - Still ahead of the pack.

 

This was the prompt I used: "what are teslas latest technology innovations and how do they compare to the competition"

 

So overall, they are they are still technically innovative - yes. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jerry_Atrick

[Jerry_Atrick]

Back to climate change and combating it.. I haven't looked at the video yet, but as I understand, replacing the tanks with batteries and the ICE engine with motors, we are looking at c. 677 kms with a fully loaded truck. I did a google search and a Kenworth loaded to 44000lbs (number sticks in my head for some reason) will have a range of 1200 - 1800 miles - so around 2,000 to 2,800 kms give or take. I doubt any truck driver would do that in a day, but then I thought road trains loaded to their max weight after which AI told me it was 1,400 - 2,400 kms. 

 

I am guessing a truck with a single driver only will not do much more than 677kms in a day. But without changing stations, it would be interesting to see how long it would take for those big batteries to recharge sufficiently. 

 

Over here, the smaller commercial fleet is electrifying rapidly. This will put pressure on the grid, but will have to drive renewables to help. 

[facthunter]

Surely EVs are a big Part of the climate change debate?  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yes.. they are.. In terms of thread drift, I meant not changing it solely to a discussion about Tesla.