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So you are worried about an Australian making money from our resources. What about all the overseas interests. Most of the money we spend on electricity goes overseas as well. I think you need to get your priorities realigned.

Hmmm the ABC!

Nuclear works!!! Well known that green h2 has a lot of challengers, not really a promising technology yet. Round trip efficiency is not that good either.

But should state governments be putting money into it? They are funding a hydrogen department as well as putting money into the plant as well as having a HV switchyard built.(Nice and shiny as it glitters in the sun)

No-one has ever really got green hydrogen right. Information is readily available that it is a lot harder then the lobbyist say it is. Someone dropped the ball.

Who mentioned Pauline?

Not really talking about dollars. just the extra CO2 that is emitted during shipping for the global warming. SA has spent millions of dollars on an ideological hydrogen plant near Whyalla for green steel. It has fallen over as many green hydrogen plants have. Anyone want to buy some H2 ready gas turbines? Governments are suckers!

This probably isn't relevant to this thread

I don't believe a tertiary education necisarily makes a good politician. I would say the mob we have had for the last 20 years (both sides) are mostly tetiary educated and they are the worst I can remember. It would be good to have some successful business people in instead of lawyers. -not large corporate business people,

So what you are saying is that is acceptable for people to come from overseas and have riots in the streets of Australia because of some past disagreements on the other side of the world. I don't!

Be better for global emissions and Australia if we processed here though. Put some of the governments emissions subsidies into building more furnaces. They won't because of the perception that it is dirtier even though we get told its a global problem. You are right cruise ships burn bunker oil, fail to see what this has to do with steel production. that we can and have done here before.

I don't know what Trump has to do with this, or the amount of O2 in the atmosphere. After googling it, it appears that 30% of the weight of the ore is o2. This means for every 100,000 tonnes of ore we send overseas the ships are displacing 30,000 tonnes of o2. This weight is how much extra water the ship needs to be displacing so it is quite a significant number burning a lot more bunker oil. These ships carry between 180,000 and 400,000 tones of ore by the looks of it. The useful part of the ore is the iron!

Trump and Pauline seem to get their names twisted regularly on this forum.

because we care more about our enviromental and worker conditions then other countrys.

sorry, meant their culture ect.

Not the point!

Why don't we heat them to high temperatures here!

Haven't heard to many people mention "inferior culture". Different cultures maybe, and weather some of these suit Australia's culture. I for one would never go to anther country and try to change or disrespect our culture or traditions. A certain politician who refused to acknowledge the queen when she was sworn into the senate is a good example. another one who won't address the subject of dual nationality.

That's exactly right, first that I had ever heard of it being done at after a sporting event in Australia and that is the point. Previously we had a few fists thrown at the match in the crowd. If you come here, leave your Sh#t from where you come from! Especially over the result of a sporting event.

Its not the ordinary people that is the problem, it is the numbers. We dont have enough affordable housing now. My daughter says that the amount of immigration is not a problem. Says my partner who is a 20 plus year immigrant who agrees about the numbers is shutting the gate behind her. Next thing she is upset that she cant get a house. She also went to university so I would have thought she could do basic maths! I have a bit of a problem with multiculturism . In the 90s? there was a soccer gam in Melbourne? between a Serbian and Croation based team and they ended up having a riot afterwards because of issues that were happening overseas. If these people come they should leave this stuff at home.,

No one is saying all these small bits should be ignored. If everyone of these countrys halved their emissions that would be a good start. We shouldn't go hell for leather and destroy our economy in the process. We have added quite a bit of intermittent energy, it will get harder as we do more. The best thing we could do is help developing countrys get their low hanging fruit in order. The best thing Australia does for the global warming at the moment is export uranium for power generation. Exporting our resources in bunker oil burning ships so it can be processed overseas in countrys that don't have our strict environmental laws is plain stupid. makes me laugh, we export iron which is a mixture of iron and oxygen, so we are using these ships to ship air.

Yes, major hurdle is the high capital cost in the western world. Hinkley Point C has blown out because of design changes during the build and covid. The UK are still planning another EPR though. (Sizewell C) France is looking at building another 6(EPR's again.) Snowy 2.0 has blown out from 4$B to probably $20B by the end of the build so this isn't just a NP thing. Decommissioning reactors will be easier with the newer build as more thought ill be put into it in the design phase. Sellafield and Hanford get a fair bit of press, but we need to remember these reactors were built for primarily for plutonium production at the start of the atom bomb race and were built quickly with only 1 thing in mind.. Finland have a deep repository due for opening this year. The spent fuel sitting at npp's is harming no-one and getting less radioactive every year. 300 or 500 years(depends on where you get your info from) the real nasty stuff will have decayed away. The rest is potential more fuel for fast reactors. Russia also have there BN series reactors that use lead for a coolant. India have recently fired up a 500MWe Big first of a kind) fast reactor to eventually use thorium but the same sort of reactor can turn the uranium 238 and plutonium's into fissionable fuel. We need to also think that the older reactors where designed in the 1950's with the first large ones in the late 50's. less than 20 years after the Chicago pile first fissioned.(1942)This is like flying around in a Vickers Vimy. We will get a workforce as more get built. A few companys are looking at building micro reactors to replace diesel generators at remote sights. This sound good in practice but again the capital cost will be expensive because the are planning to put 10-20 years worth of fuel in them at the start. These will probably use Haleu fuel which is enriched between 5-20%. https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/articles/first-criticality-for-indian-fast-breeder-reactor

they add a cent? per kWh to take care of decommissioning costs. They also make a lot of money exporting energy to country's who have spent billions on intermittent. Germany has 170GW of installed intermittent generation for a 60GW (72GW max 2025) grid and are still building. They also reprocess some of their spent fuel. If the spent fuel is buried in the proper way, i would not have a problem. Spent fuel is a public perception and political problem, not an engineering one. There is more chance of getting hit by a truck than injured from spent fuel. These costs seem large but NP can make a lot of energy. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germanys-renewable-electricity-generation-capacity-rises-11-driven-solar

Couple of my nieces have 1/16th aboriginal in them. They went to university and now we have some interesting family discussions. Their mother says they embarrass her quite regularly. They do the big talk but they wouldn't last long going back to their aboriginal roots. Makes me laugh, they are 1/4 English as well.

Pretty basic really. Green is good black/brown is bad. Yellow mediocre. Close to 17 at the moment. Even exporting 1.8GW into Spain which doesn't happen much. Make your own minds up. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/FR/72h/hourly -