The climate change debate continues.

[Siso]

They actually doctored the footage to mislead the public or do you believe it was a coincidence. This is one fight I hope trump wins and hopefully the public broadcasters learn from it.

[octave]

 

52 minutes ago, Siso said:

Actuators are used for the panels to follow the sun. Some of these have rods that control more than 1 panel.

There are many trials of agrivoltaics going on in Australia and overseas.   I

 

My assumption is that with all these trials going on and some already operating agrivolatic farms that things like the stock damaging the accuators or other parts is a known quantity.  I am sure it would not suit every farm type or location, but a search of the net does show sheep and cattle and crops (mainly veges and grape vines, etc where partial shade is preferable.

 

Edited December 9, 2025 by octave

[pmccarthy]

The greatest enemies of solar farms must be fire and hailstorms. In the USA I would add tornados, but not so much here. Presumably they are insurable events, and the premiums will just be built into the cost of power. They will be fairly rare, so not too expensive compared to distribution costs.

[red750]

This was kept quiet.

 

A massive new Tesla Megapack-powered battery energy storage system (BESS) is now officially online in Victoria, Australia, marking the largest completed battery project on the country’s main grid — and one of the biggest operational grid batteries in the world. 

 

Read more here.

[facthunter]

Thanks for Posting it.  Nev

[pmccarthy]

This thread has been idle too long. 7 minutes video.

 

 

 

[facthunter]

Debates are Combative by nature and a winner is decided which has Litle to do with the subject chosen. Even the Insurance companies Militaries and Oil companies don't dispute the reality of  anthropomorphic Climate change. Farmers who keep records know it too. Sea level rises Ocean temps and acidity. More EXTREME Climate event . Ice Melting at the 3rd Pole. ( the Himalaya's) that threatens the future food security of Millions. CO2 records show what is  happening. The climate change deniers are Running out of ideas as more evidence emerges We CAN easily Make this Place Uninhabitable. We cannot burn much More of the Oil  Gas and Coal available and not make things rapidly worse. Energy from other sources must and can be used.  Nev

[pmccarthy]

The mass of trees, grass and other vegetation comes almost entirely from carbon dioxide. The carbon is turned into plant matter and the oxygen is expired for us to breathe. For example, a 50-tonne (dry weight) tree contains ~49+ tonnes of carbon from this source. Very little of a tree is minerals from the ground. These are scientific facts, indisputable.

 

The claim that we are all doomed for using fossil fuel or nuclear energy is a claim that is poorly based and deserves ongoing debate, as this video argues.

[facthunter]

That's the favourite tactic of the deniers . "The Science of Climate Change is not settled".  The carbon cycle in Nature won't handle the extra CO2 and deforestation is happening at an ever increasing rate and New deserts are forming and Permafros Melting and releasing Methane. ALL  well understood by people who do the checking. PMC you didn't address ANY of the Points I  made. Nev

[pmccarthy]

Well, the science is NOT settled. No one can make a case that it is! Science is about constantly challenging and defending theorems. There is no point in you spending one minute of your time to paste a scattergun of unsubstantiated statements and then expect me to address them point by point, an exercise that would take me hours to do properly. Which is exactly what the video is about. The difference between cult belief and science.

 

Farmer's records? Here are mine, since 1961. On such a short base you could argue that the world is ending, we have gone from 800mm to 600mm per year. But a longer chart, over two centuries, would pick up the big droughts including the worst, the Federation drought, and show quite a different story. People have small memories and smaller imaginations.

[facthunter]

  We are seeing higher and higher figures for temps and extreme weather events. The new Normal is a CHANGE. Cyclones further from the equator.. Talking about memories and imaginations has Little relevance to science. Areas where grapes went ok are Now too Hot. . Nev

[onetrack]

Climate change denier? We're developing a vaccine for that!  😄 

[Litespeed]

What someone who made money from mining is a climate denier?

 

Who would of thunk it.

 

If he'll exists there will be a special hot place for them all.

[facthunter]

What IS the Cost of doing NOTHING?. It's OK for Trump. He's not going to live that long and has Plenty of Airconditioning. . When Places become Unliveable  we'll have a real Immigrant Problem or maybe Here  won't be too good either. We are  a very dry continent and have some of the World's highest recorded temperatures. Shallow Dams are a compete waste of time and Money.  We've stuffed up a lot of the artesian water as well.. .Nev