The climate change debate continues.

[Jerry_Atrick]

ohm my! this is degenerating

 

[nomadpete]

Oh please!

 

Spare me the avalance of grandad jokes!

[facthunter]

Avalanche.  and Grandads have a right to make jokes. They are survivors. In civilised societies, THEY RESPECT the elders.. Nev

[red750]

[octave]

2 minutes ago, red750 said:

We are.  Most of the solar in the system is rooftop 1.3Gw (11.3 per cent of TOTAL energy generation as opposed to only 319Mw of large scale solar. 

I have posted this before but in the city I grew up in, the local shopping centre is full of solar on the roof and in the car park and this IS quite common at many shopping centres now.

 

When it comes to rural solar farms, the detractors would like to have you believe that farmers are being tossed off their land or that they are being forced to host solar farms.   Farmers will farm whatever they find is profitable. Let's face it, farming is a tough business. If a farmer finds cattle profitable, then that is what they are likely to farm.   If a farmer needs or wants to farm energy, then that is their prerogative. Many smart farmers are realising that they can earn a better living by multiple use of their land (agrovoltaics)

 

[old man emu]

Agrovoltaics is best combined with grazing, rather than cropping simply because croping now requires unobstructed spaces. I've said before that solar panels + sheep (or goats) is a workable combination. Cattle might find it difficult to get to fodder under solar panels. We don't usually free range pigs and pouiltry might not be protected from foxes id free ranged. I can't confirm that solar companies are now offering farmers around $1500 per hectare per year rent, but if it is true, then that is money that is independent of seasonal weathr variations.

 

Grammar Police note: Although "agrovoltaics" ends with a "-s" it is always a singular word. OED's earliest evidence for agrivoltaics is from 2011, in Stock Journal (Adelaide).

[octave]

I think there are crops suited to the shade of solar panels. 

 

    Can crops grow better under solar panels? Here’s all you need to know about ‘agrivoltaic farming’

 

How shading crops with solar panels can improve farming, lower food costs and reduce emissions

 

 

[spacesailor]

How about a 'solar' street payment shade .

Attached to the existing light pole. 

spacesailor

[octave]

6 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

How about a 'solar' street payment shade .

 

[Siso]

France exporting over 15GW at the moment, must not be much sun or wind. France | App | Electricity Maps

 

[octave]

The oil refinery near me is putting on a bit of a show.

 

 

 

[facthunter]

Flaring methane, You'd think they could make less soot than that. Nev

[octave]

6 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Flaring methane, You'd think they could make less soot than that. Nev

Yeah, a bit more than the normal flaring.

 

Geelong TV

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POWER FAULT SPARKS LARGE FLARE AND FIRE RESPONSE AT GEELONG REFINERY

A major alarm sounded at the Geelong Refinery today after a brief power disruption triggered a visible, smoky flare and a small grass fire on site.

Viva Energy’s internal emergency response team quickly attended the scene and extinguished the fire.

The company says the flare, which was noticeable from outside the refinery, is a standard pressure-relief safety device used globally to safely burn off excess materials when systems are disrupted.

Fire Rescue Victoria has been notified and is supporting Viva Energy’s response.

Officials stress the alarm was intended for on-site personnel only and there is no risk to the surrounding community.

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, octave said:

The oil refinery near me is putting on a bit of a show.

 

 

 

Are you aware that every coal seam gas hole does this (there are around 30,000 of these.)

They simply burn off the dirty gas until the well produces "cleaner" gas. Note that methane is many times worse than CO2.

 

Coal is so much nicer than alternative energy sources, just look at this lovely coal mine. Compared to the ugly wind turbines in the distance.