GRIPES

[facthunter]

As far  as I know the aboriginal languages have NEVER been in written form, and "their" FLAG is a recent thing. An indigenous guide I had at Uluru one time was from Katherine and couldn't understand one word of the Local Lingo all of whom lived well out of town which is Ultra Modern, Costly and thoroughly out of character.. IMHO.  Nev

[old man emu]

While it is reasonable to use indigenous words that had/have meaning in the speech of the people who used them, it is ridiculous to apply words for things that did not exist for those people. As an example, would the concept of "stairway" ever have existed until stairways had been introduced by people who made them? I believe that when the first overland explorers reached northern Australia, near the ocean, the local indigines saw the rifles of the explorers and immediately called them 'musquit' or similar. The reason? They had seen the muskets of the Dutch and Malays who came to fish in the area before the British explorers arrived from the South. The explorers would have been carrying rifles.

[octave]

7 minutes ago, onetrack said:

The bulk of the place names in W.A. are Anglicised from the local Aboriginal dialects, and often are quite inaccurate in the translation - to the extent, that a pronunciation of the proper Aboriginal name of those places would be nearly impossible for most people.

I don't really see the problem here. I am sure there are British place names from old English and probably have changed over time.  I search the name of the village I lived in  Mongarlowe.  As far as I know there are no other towns with that name. Yes it is probably is not pronounced  accurately.   Do people have a problem with Woolomaloo?

[old man emu]

It's NOT the names of localities that is the problem. It's the use of alledgedly indigenous words to describe things that did not exist before European arrival.

[octave]

2 hours ago, old man emu said:

It's NOT the names of localities that is the problem. It's the use of alledgedly indigenous words to describe things that did not exist before European arrival.

Surely after white settlement Aborigines developed words for new things introduced by  settlers.  Prior to settlement I imagine that Aborigines had never seen a horse or camel but I imagine just like any language it develops new words for new things. Often perhaps in this case the word may be the same as English or perhaps similar.

In the case of Naala Badu it supposedly means "seeing waters" which refers to the view.  This seems relevant to the location.  Am I missing something here?

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[facthunter]

It's logical for them to assign another word/name for any NEW Object or Phenomenon they observe as all peoples have done. Nev.

[Marty_d]

English is not actually a static language either. 

If you don't believe me, try listening to a group of 13yo's talking and see how much you understand...

[old man emu]

37 minutes ago, octave said:

In the case of Naala Badu it supposedly means "seeing waters" which refers to the view.

If you can find me a Gadigal person who can translate those words, or put them in a sentence, then I'll be more receptive. As it stands I reckon it's another example of PC.

 

And there's not much water to be seen from there.

 

[facthunter]

 Marty-d. Hypothetical situation. They don't talk. They communicate on their I Phone.

 OME  You are requiring they Comply with our ways, or else.  . Is that fair?  Sentences are structured as we are used to. Nev

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[octave]

3 minutes ago, old man emu said:

If you can find me a Gadigal person who can translate those words, or put them in a sentence, then I'll be more receptive. As it stands I reckon it's another example of PC.

So would the same apply to perhaps names derived from very early English. Perhaps place names in a language is no longer speaks. 

What would be an alternate name for these galleries?

It just seems a bit boring and stuffy for everything to have English names.

I guess we will just have to disagree on this.

[old man emu]

All I can add to this discussion is lorum ipsum.

[facthunter]

Plenty of Latin derived talk talk around.  Churches use it and doctors used to write Prescriptions in it. Pidgin is used in PNG as a bastardised  language.. ( I may have the spelling wrong) it uses words Like Buggarup for Broken. A Binatang (mosquito) IS a small Plane A Balus is a large one..  and so on. Nev

[facthunter]

It's Lorem ipsum (lat)  a non sensical fill in word. We generally just use a swear word to fill in  till our Brain thinks of something.   People who swear a lot don't have to think as fast . Nev

[octave]

The thing with naming is it can be difficult to avoid repetition and have something interesting.  Many businesses make up words.   There was a time when once a week for work I would stay in a cheap motel. The chain of motels was called Formule One. No I did not misspell that. All these years later it sticks in my mind.   Sometimes a business name will be a portmanteau.  If a business or gallery uses perhaps some ancient Viking word from a language that is no longer spoken, is that really problematic?

[facthunter]

Probably Not. Local slang can be deliberate as an identifier and confusing to the Uninitiated.. Without looking at People it's harder to get the Meaning/intention as accurate. Communication is an ART. Nev

[onetrack]

I have a gripe - and it's nothing to do with language - although my language may coarsen shortly if I don't get some satisfaction.

 

SWMBO's 2012 Camry has crapped itself. Well, not completely DOA - but it recently developed a lag in upshift and a nasty associated shudder and vibration in the drivetrain that became very concerning.

 

Some internet-thingy AI-assisted research tells me that Toyota  had/has some huge problems with the Aisin U760E transmission as fitted to 2012-2014 Camrys and RAV4's. It appears the PCM (Powertrain Control Module - we no longer have simple ECU's, they are integrated PCM's now) was badly programmed originally, to allow the torque converter lock-up clutch to lock up at relatively low speed - say around 30-35kmh.

This was done to assist in improved fuel economy and to allow Toyota to brag about that improved fuel economy. I must comment that the Camry IS very economical on fuel.

 

However, the problem is that allowing the lock-up clutch in the TC to engage at such low speed (it used to be around 60kmh before they TC locked up), it overloads the lock-up clutch.

This results in lock-up clutch burnout, shudder and a severe lag in upshifting. Eventually, the transmission can be destroyed if it gets bad enough.

 

The cure is a reprogramming of the TCM and a complete TC replacement. Now, here's where it gets interesting. Toyota recognised they had a problem with this transmission, way back about 2014.

So they agreed to come good with free repairs and replacements, under an "Extended Warranty" that was to run for 8 years or 150,000 miles (this was primarily an American problem - strangely enough, I can find no mention of the problem in Australia).

Toyota produced over 940,000 vehicles with this transmission. They replaced around 100,000 TC's for free, it appears.

 

So we dropped the Camry off at the local Toyota dealer Wednesday morning, and they examined it and immediately identified the problem as the faulty TC/programming problem. The TC is shot, and in need of total replacement.

That's major surgery, of course - either the engine comes out, or the transmission is dropped out. The cost is going to be substantial. The Camry is 14 yrs old and has done just 120,000kms.

 

On the first day, things went very quiet. I got a call from the dealer at 4:20PM, telling me what the problem was, and they had sent in a claim to Toyota head office for the repair to be a warranty claim, whereby Toyota will cover the TC replacement cost. I might add, a new TC has to be flown in from Japan.

 

Today is Friday and still dead silence. I rang the dealer and asked where we were at. He says they're still waiting on a response from Toyota as to whether they will cover the repair. I guess they're consulting with their lawyers to see how vindictive we could be.

We've been loyal Toyota owners for nearly 40 years, and we buy them for their reliability and resale. But right now, my loyalty is wavering. This is not a good look, Mr Toyota. I know the car is well out of warranty, but I never expected to be doing a transmission overhaul at 120,000kms, either.

 

What is worse, the dealer hasn't laid a spanner on it in 3 days. He's waiting, and I'm waiting. I don't know why it should take so long to consider a warranty claim, Toyota must have developed into a huge paper and responsibility-shuffling bureaucracy. At least, the dealer has offered us a loan car. 

[old man emu]

41 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Plenty of Latin derived talk talk around. 

Lorem ipsum are the first words of extracts from the writings of Cicero. The extracts were selected at random simply to be used when printers were laying out the design of pages. 

 

 

[nomadpete]

We do get a fair bit of forum ipsum around here