The Random thought thread

[onetrack]

He'll be laying low in a bunker he's constructed, I'll wager. This prick is also a "prepper", so he'll be properly set up for when the "tyrannical Govt forces" come for him. This is Wieambilla all over again.

[Marty_d]

He's definitely dead one way or the other.

You don't get to kill cops and live.

 

[old man emu]

Yeah, and if he dies by police bullet, guess who the Media will crucify.

[Marty_d]

Oh, I don't think there'd be a lot of sympathy for that prick.

[onetrack]

The media are already beating the sympathy drum for him. The situation is only one of his own making - fed by his arrogant, angry, abusive, lawless (and now, murderous) attitude.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/in-his-own-words-accused-cop-killer-dezi-freeman-speaks-of-hardships-hatred-20250828-p5mqhg.html

 

 

[facthunter]

Meanwhile there's about 300 Locals who can't go to their places of abode. My son is one of them.  Has no car or change of clothes. 4 days now.   Nev

[facthunter]

Got the car to day. Coming here Now.  Best away from there. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

I am going to come across as all wokey pokey, butr clearly, he is deranged, as are probably most soverign citizens. What intrigues me is why they are like that? Our society allows a large degree of individualism and freedom of expression in so many different ways; it allows dissent, but like all social entities and societies, there are a set of laws/rules that society is governed by to balance individual rights and freedoms against others as a whole. When we compare ourselves to other countries such as China, Russia, some Eastern Eurpean countries, many Asian countries, African countries, etc., we have a lot of freedoms - we can openly and savagely criticise the government; we can practice whatever religion or ideology we like, we can participate more or less in captialistic through to communist agendas with impunity. So, why do these sovereign citizens feel their rights and existence is threatened? Why do they (and others, such as MAGA Maniacs) latch onto conspiracy theories without any evidence whatsoever (and, as it turns out, those they support are more likely to establish some of those conspiracy theories, such as the deep state - just look sat Chump's actions). 

 

Have they been harassed, bullied at school? Is it hard wired into their brain (and we are learning that nuero-plasticity means nothing is hard wired and anything can be  changed about us, if we are willing, assuming no physical brain damage? Are they suffering drug/alcohol abuse or foetal alcohol.drug syndrome? Or, do they see something us lemings don't? Are they society's forgottens that are helpless and alone - those we should take care of as a society but have become too individualistic and too materialistic to care? For example, the government is now winding back NDIS, which may push many people the way of these people, rather than attackt he root causes of the issues - the rorts, potential convenience diagnosis, etc., which means those in genuine need can live a somewhat normal life - which is selfish of me because I don't want to have to people who become desperate beggars or criminals. There was a time where there was nary a beggar or vagrant on the streets of our cities.. now look at them?

 

Why can't we properly tax multinationals rather than give them corporate welfare so their investors can continue to rake in the cash as rent takers - and use that money for the betterment of all society - better transport infrastructure, targeted investment to stimulate innovation and growth, better safety net, better education, health services, and the like. Norway does it, and while Australia has a much larger GDP, Norway's GDP per captia is 30% more.. so taxing your resources properly; taxing multinationals properly seems to be an economic benefit - and those companies do not leave because they are still making money. For example, Starbucks in the UK started in 1998 and never showed a profit until 2015. Of course, that was on paper - there is no way Starbucks would operate at a loss that long - they only took two years to exit Australia the first time where they were really making a loss. Instead, they had to start showing a semblance of profit after it came to light they were abising transfer pricing, and HMRC knew about it. Eventually, in 2016,  HMRC (our ATO) agreed to a lower tax rate (how they could do this when the rates without discretion are defined in law - another controversy) after which they miraculously started showing small profits. 

 

What has this to do with a few nutters? Well, the more we don't look after our people, that is, spend the resources to assist, manage, etc,. the more that are vulnerable to this sort of behaviour will turn to it. I could count the times I saw vagrants/beggars on the streets of Melbourne witht he fingers on my hand before I left for the UK aged 30.. and I worked and socialised preedominanlty in the city. Last time I was in Melbourne, quite frnly, it was a disgrace how many there were, and how can a society not look after them? Why are we always in debt as a society and not have those that benefit from our society and society's investment in education, infrastrcutire, etc contribute to our society, so we can better our society?

 

The way Australia (and the UK, and France, and to a lesser extent Germany) is headed is very much the American way. It is gradual, so we don't notice it, but the frequency in which the solcial ills that brings is increasing. It's a hell of a problem to sort out, and the longer we leave it, the longer and more expensive it will become.. The US seems to have abated from being on the bring of civil war (or we are so desensitised that the news isn't even registering it), but there is still a volatile underbelly that could go ballistic. That will be a hell of a price to pay.

Edited Friday at 06:37 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[Litespeed]

The bloke is not a down and out cobber struggling against a unfair system. Nor is he a person with a disability and or mental illness that can be treated.

 

He is a sociopath with murderous intent. His sense of self entitlement is complete, sovereign citizen or not he would still be like this. He has jumped on the bandwagon to justify his actions, he would always find a reason to act this way.

 

Irrespective of the societal ecosystem, he would always be a angry defiant violent person.

 

I doubt he will surrender, instead he will try to murder police and feel self justified and see his actions as heroic.

 

I hope they get him alive and no more  innocents are hurt. He deserves a life long cell with no opportunity to commit suicide.

 

Sadly is he is killed other nutters will see him as a matyr.

[Jerry_Atrick]

32 minutes ago, Litespeed said:

I hope they get him alive and no more  innocents are hurt.

Same, and I don't doubt that there are those that are psychopaths/sociopaths that can't change - but does this apply to the majority of them? If so, let's gather them up and house them in Christmas Island or somewhere? They are surely a bigger threat to Australia than boat people.

[onetrack]

I blame the sovereign citizen outbreak on the level of inbreeding in rural areas - along with too much exposure to American media, especially the anti-Govt, conspiracy sites.

 

We have one here on the left coast, one Wayne Glew - he's an ex-copper, for FFS!!! Of all the people who should be highly conversant with the law, and how we live under the rule of law, he should be the one speaking out against these imbeciles! - let alone leading them, and forming a support group!

 

Get a look at his followers in the photos outside the Geraldton Courthouse - I guess if they opened their mouths, there'd be an average of about 6 teeth missing!!

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-29/sovereign-citizen-growing-movement-regional-australia/105702148

 

Edited Friday at 01:15 PM by onetrack

[Marty_d]

You're a very generous person Jerry.

I don't have time for these idiots. They want to use the benefits of an open democracy but not follow the rules which make a society function.

I do agree with you about corporate welfare, and would argue that there are strong similarities between billionaires/multinationals and sovereign citizens - neither thinks the laws apply to them, and neither pays their taxes.

 

[onetrack]

We've got a Chief Justice here on the left coast who has taken the rather rare and unusual step of speaking out against these sovereign citizens, and the way they waste the courts time (and their own money and effort), essentially trying to advance spurious and outright dumb legal positions that have no standing (nor any logic to their arguments, in many cases).

 

This group of people are angry and disruptive, and believe that no-one has the right to tell them what to do - and the thinking originates from the lawlessness of backwoods early America.

 

They're intent on destabilising our entire social and legal order, that has developed over centuries, and which was forged by wars, revolts and protests. It's a far from perfect system, but it works as long as people follow the rules and regulations, that have all been instituted to keep society functioning and civil.

 

Sovereign citizens arguments offer no better system, just one of total lawlessness and self interest.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-19/wa-chief-justice-peter-quinlan-warning-sovereign-citizens/105668072

[spacesailor]

Democracy has a flaw .

As has happened in Fiji an immigrant group could move into power " legally ".

America has the law that you have to be born there !

Has Australia,  anything to protect it's sovereignty  ? .

spacesailor

Edited Saturday at 01:22 AM by spacesailor
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[facthunter]

You have to be born there to run for President. Trump tried to put the LIE that Obama wasn't. MUSK is Born in South Africa and CANNOT be the POTUS.  Nev

[ClintonB]

can he still do it with a proxy standing in?, he has a party now. 

[facthunter]

He's backed out of that.  Nev