facthunter Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Albo's fault is it for doing what HE promised? ALLOW A Referendum. The right of the people to freely vote on something and it's now confected as some kind of conspiratorial crime aiming to split the country. GET REAL. Abbot's just landed a 1/2 Million $ job with Merde och. Newscorpse which went flat out to sink the referendum. May they sink together. A view of how the system works for the Propagandists and manipulators who control YOU. (iF you let them). Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Marty_d said: I have only received 2 flyers in the letterbox, and they're both from the No side. All these claims that the Yes side has more money and more advertising are, in my sample of 1 suburb at least, unproven. I'm heading out today to vote YES, but in the sad knowledge (If the polls are right) that it won't get up, and the true voices of division - the No camp - will most likely have their way. And if that's the case I can no longer laugh at Americans for electing Trump, as our people are no wiser. What. Voting no is in no way comparable to Trump being elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Tik Tok said voting yes would result in me losing my land. . Trump is a far bigger disaster than this little (BY COMPARISON) event. My money is on Dutton calling for Albanese to resign because the referendum has failed. Just imagine the nit picking and hullaballoo if the PM had decided to legislate it instead? First thing he would have been accused of is breaking an election Promise. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) I think it is more a case of some of the no campaigning being Trump like in the relying on creating fear and uncertainty. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-05/united-nations-voice-conspiracy-misinformation-spread-revealed/102932852 Edited October 13, 2023 by octave 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share Posted October 14, 2023 A man and his primary school child were standing in front of me as I went to vote this morning. The little boy was holding the pencil given to write one's choice. I heard him say, "We're going to vote. I know what to vote - NO", and as he did so, he wrote NO in the air. I wondered how he was going to get on at school next week when he shared the classroom with Aboriginal kids, and how he would go in ten or fifteen years when he was working with them. By 6:00 pm on 14 October, it will be all over, bar the shouting. I am going to be very interested in the returns from individual booths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 WHY The ' divide ' , are Not All Australian school kids " Australian " . That's Why I voted NO , I don't fancy living in a segregated Australia. THEM & US . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willedoo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, facthunter said: Tik Tok said voting yes would result in me losing my land. It gets worse. Watching Tik Tok will result in you losing your mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I don't watch it. They have a way of making you TOK. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, spacesailor said: WHY The ' divide ' , are Not All Australian school kids " Australian " . That's Why I voted NO , I don't fancy living in a segregated Australia. THEM & US . spacesailor It is already that way for most and by voting no you are helping to preserve it Edited October 14, 2023 by Jerry_Atrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share Posted October 14, 2023 Well ... It's over. And the NO's have it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Indeed... It is interesting to see what unfolds... While I am not sure this has damaged Albo electorally that much, I am sure his position in the ALP is damaged, to the point his leadership may be being called into question. I am listening to Lydia Thorpe on the ABC at the moment and I think she is spot on - if you don't bring the grass roots of black and white fellas with you, then you won't get their support... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 BUT The Damage to Our overseas reputation has suffered. & the ten% will be unhappy with this result . Luckily We Are One and are many . spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 It's nothing less than I expected. The simple fact the Indigenes themselves were split on the referendum doomed the proposition to fail. There was inadequate consultation from the word go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, spacesailor said: BUT The Damage to Our overseas reputation has suffered. & the ten% will be unhappy with this result . Luckily We Are One and are many . spacesailor I was in the pub last night with the other antipodean in our Village, a NZ'er.. He expressed disbelief at the way Aus was vexed over the Voice... Hs remarks were along the lines of bombed out of the Rugby World Cup, looking the same for cricket and a big score for going backwards.... (I then relayed to him Octave's son's story.. ) Also, I think you will find it more than 10% unhappy... unless you think that 90% of those that voted yes couldn't care? 4 minutes ago, onetrack said: It's nothing less than I expected. The simple fact the Indigenes themselves were split on the referendum doomed the proposition to fail. There was inadequate consultation from the word go. Same.. It was definitely wishful thinking to think it would go any other way. However, while there were differences in ATSI views, the reasons were by an large not the same, with most of those saying no wanting changes to go further.. it wasn't based on the official No campaign. And, if ABC and The Age are to have a smidgeon of truth about them, in the rural/outback areas, ATSI people "against" it were more apathetic to it.. I would also question if the No supporters in ATSIs were any near a large minority, let alone a minority. But of course, as a small minority of the population as a whole, their votes were never going to really impact the result given the negativity around it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I really doubt Albanese's position as leader is likely to be challenged from within the Party, Jerry. Your comment on it is the first I've heard mention of it. That line that his tenure is connected to the result,has constantly been run by SKY and Dutton but even Chris Kenny reckon's its BS. Nev 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 When the wife. & I , rolled into the voting place , there wasno sign of the ' NO ' people or even one placard. On the other hand the ' YES ' people & their signs Were everywhere in abundance. spacesailor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Albanese Will not be getting my , or , most of the people around here , My vote . This Will be a First, in my life. To vote for a minor party . spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Just now, spacesailor said: When the wife. & I , rolled into the voting place , there wasno sign of the ' NO ' people or even one placard. On the other hand the ' YES ' people & their signs Were everywhere in abundance. spacesailor I suspect that is rare. My wife spent time at a couple of booths handing out vote yes cards and there were certainly as many no volunteers. I am guessing in your polling booth there were not enough committed no voters to hand out how to vote cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 At this moment in the count, our electorate is 51.52% Yes. PS. This is the figure with 100% of the votes counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share Posted October 14, 2023 It is interesting that in Sydney, many Liberal seats voted YES, and the Labor seats voted NO. It is unfortunate that we will never know why each person who voted NO voted the way they did. There are more reasons than have been indicated in our discussion here. I'm afraid that the result has made me feel that Australians are indeed racist, or more probably 100% self-centred. It there was nothing in it for Whitey, then bugger the Abo. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Glad common sense has prevailed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, old man emu said: in Sydney, many Liberal seats voted YES, and the Labor seats voted NO. Our electorate is Liberal but voted Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 It never should have been politicised. Nev 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Columbo said: What. Voting no is in no way comparable to Trump being elected. My point is that lies and misinformation were peddled far and wide in social media by some No activists, and were believed by the credulous or apathetic. In that aspect it is indeed Trumpian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, Marty_d said: My point is that lies and misinformation were peddled far and wide in social media by some No activists, and were believed by the credulous or apathetic. In that aspect it is indeed Trumpian. I mean Trump didn't invent lying in politics though. He just didn't care that he lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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