fly_tornado Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 TP your dentist is part of a skilled migration program, basically taking he was a well paid job from an Australian kid. Your dentist knows you're an old guy from the empire so he tells you want to hear, if I was your dentist I would let you listen to Alan Jones during visits if you promised to tell your friends what a good dentist I was. I can say without hesitation he is only interested in your money, thats how his kind are (dentists). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 My point exactly.....no-one here is going to change their opinion because of something someone here said. Who doesn't love trolling bigots? although to be fair twitter is a lot more fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head in the clouds Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 In ww1 90% of casualties where combatants, by ww2 that number was 50%, by the time we get to Iraq that number is in the 10% range. Refugees generally are just trying to escape violence or persecution, they like you were born into their parent's religion. If you were born in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria you would want to get out. It really is just circumstance that makes you a refugee. I don't think anyone would have any argument with that at all FT. It's those posing as refugees but who are in fact just trying to bypass the proper process because they wouldn't qualify as suitable persons for migration to Australia, that are the problem. And, believe it or not, they are a significant proportion of the total who arrive by boat via Indonesia. We just don't need more drug peddlers, insurgents, dissidents and religious extremists. And we do need to take a stand against those who accept our hospitality but then refuse to honour their sworn agreement to integrate into our society and instead only seek to bring their problem-stricken one with them and openly declare their intention to enforce it upon us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahlocks Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 ... to be fair twitter is a lot more fun Can arrange it so you can spend a lot more time there if you like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Divine intervention? Yeah,. . . .quite likely Fly.. . . . . . . . You wouldn't have liked much of what I wrote anyway, so let's just leave it at that. Happy New year Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 ...• We would have to accept religious enclaves and very likely some features of Sharia law. ... Old Koreelah, while I agree with almost everything you say, I cannot agree with that. Australia has one set of laws which apply to the entire population. In a secular tolerant society there is absolutely no room for any other laws, whether or not they apply only to people who belong to that faith or culture. This should be an absolute for 99% of the population, regardless of anyone's stance on refugees and asylum seekers, so there should be no problem with any government to resist pressure for sharia law or any other. Being an optimist of course. For whoever it was that said atheists don't bag muslims as much as christians, can I for one just say I find their beliefs just as silly as any other religion. (Slightly sillier actually, bacon tastes GOOD.) Happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I haven't heard of this issue, the refugee families in my area seems pretty respectful of the neighbourhood. I would be surprised if it actually exists outside the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Until I saw Phil's 'apology thread' for mentioning illegal immigrants I haven't read any of this one except the first post with its bit of humour. I didn't really want to get embroiled in a heated discussion led by bleeding hearts who often know little about the realities of the situation. Gladly though it seems there are several gutsy citizens out there willing to make a verbal stand against the wrongs of certain types flooding to our shores, avoiding proper processes, establishing enclaves and then trying to force their violence, racism, sexism, religion, drugs and dictatorships on us, all the while preaching against us as if we have been in the wrong all the while. Whilst there may well be a fair or even large proportion of muslims who are fine people and excellent citizens, they don't display the fortitude to stand up against the bully Imams, or speak up against those of their own kind who are plainly not doing what they swore to do when they were granted asylum and/or citizenship. If they did I think they would get a lot more support from the rest of us. Kaz 3G you are rather mistaken when you suggest that the muslims aren't involved in drug peddling, and blaming it on the OMCs instead. Are you not aware of some of the predominantly muslim OMCs? From what I've heard it would seem that the majority of the meth trafficking to and in Australia is conducted by muslims, all the way from manufacture to distribution ... I get snippets of information about the 'boat people' fairly regularly since we won the contract to fabricate the new jetty for the Christmas Island patrol boats, and it's not always quite what you hear or see in the news as even the press has to be PC. Here is a re-post of a circular email I received a few months ago. I don't know the original source so you'll have to make up your own minds but whoever started it has obviously had enough and it must have hit some sympathetic raw nerves because I received it from three different sources over a couple of weeks, so whilst a lot of people might not want to visibly stand up and speak out, they're thinking it nonetheless. ANOTHER BOATLOAD OF POOR VULNERABLE AND STARVING REFFOS ARRIVE ON CHRISTMAS ISLAND [ATTACH]26679[/ATTACH] Do these muscular guys in singlets look like they are persecuted and starving refugees? We don’t think so. [ATTACH]26680[/ATTACH] Those females dressed in designer clothes - they must have been persecuted into buying at Gucci and Dolce and Gabbana. [ATTACH]26681[/ATTACH] Nice refugees, dressed in the latest faded jeans fashion and board shorts [ATTACH]26682[/ATTACH] Does this refugee look like he has spent years starving in a refugee camp somewhere, just to develop that gut? [ATTACH]26683[/ATTACH] Check the muscles on that refugee in the singlet. They must have fantastic gyms in those refugee camps. [ATTACH]26684[/ATTACH] Do any of these refugees look as if they have been persecuted, starved, hounded and threatened? We don’t think so. [ATTACH]26685[/ATTACH] Check this tattooed guy. He’s a prime candidate for the Hell’s Angels or Comancheros Muslim bikie gangs. [ATTACH]26686[/ATTACH] This poor starving fellow is another Muslim bikie gang candidate with those muscles. [ATTACH]26687[/ATTACH] Yet another Muslim bikie gang candidate. They must have great bodybuilding facilities in those refugee camps. [ATTACH]26688[/ATTACH] A couple of starving refugee girls, complete with designer clothes, painted false nails and designer glasses. How nice. HERE IS THE TRUTH - THE REAL TRUTH THESE ARE THE SO-CALLED ASYLUM SEEKERS THAT OUR IDIOTIC GOVERNMENT IS LETTING INTO AUSTRALIA. THEY ARE NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS OR REFUGEES. THEY ARE ILLEGAL ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS. THEY ARE BEING SENT HERE BY INDONESIA, WHO ALLOWS THEM TO ENTER, GIVES THEM VISAS AND DOES NOTHING TO STOP THEM. INDONESIA IS NOT AUSTRALIA’S FRIEND OR ALLY - INDONESIA HAS BEEN SCAMMING AUSTRALIA FOR YEARS. THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO CONFRONT INDONESIA TO DEMAND THAT THEY STOP THIS PRACTICE. THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO SEND THESE BASTARDS BACK TO INDONESIA. THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT SQUANDERS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THESE BASTARDS BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE THE GUTS TO STOP THEM. WE NEED TO DO WHAT JAPAN DOES. JAPAN DOES NOT HAVE EXPENSIVE DETENTION CENTRES BECAUSE IT REFUSES TO HAVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DETAINEES. JAPAN IS NOT A SIGNATORY TO THE UN CONVENTION ON REFUGEES, SO IT IS NOT OBLIGED TO PROCESS ANY OF THEM. JAPAN UPHOLDS ITS BORDER PROTECTION BY REPELLING THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AT GUNPOINT. DOES ANYBODY CRITICISE JAPAN FOR THIS? THE ANSWER - NO! DOES ANYBODY IMPOSE SANCTIONS ON JAPAN FOR THIS? THE ANSWER - NO! DOES ANYBODY ACCUSE JAPAN FOR NOT BEING HUMANITARIAN? THE ANSWER - NO! JAPAN DOES NOT SQUANDER TAXPAYER MONEY DEALING WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TRYING TO SCAM THEIR SYSTEM. JAPAN DOES NOT SUFFER PROBLEMS WITH MUSLIM IMMIGRATION, MUSLIM TERRORISM OR MUSLIM CRIME. AUSTRALIA NEEDS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT JAPAN DOES. WE HAVE TO STOP THIS CRAP. WE HAVE TO STOP INDONESIA DOING THIS TO US. SEND THIS TO EVERYBODY YOU KNOW - THEY NEED TO LEARN THE TRUTH HITC, the thrust of your message seems to be that we shouldn't let these blokes in because they're fitter than the average Aussie, is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 r I got the joke Phil, and chuckled, it's just a real touchy subject in Oz. Thanks for that Mark, . . . .it has, UNFORUNATELY started a right bloody political debate,. . . with nice pilot types ripping each other apart with some rather nasty comments in my view. . . .and this wasn't the purpose of the post,. . . .having been an Aussie resident fo some eleven years, I completely FORGOT that you really DO NOT GET (apparently anyway) any regular news broadcasts from the UK, and; this being the case, . . .any topical humour could and probably would be misinterpreted as other than jokey. . . . . . . . Anyway, it has become a lot more than jokey over here. . . . Some Romanian or other immigrant type woman selling a paper called the "Big Issue" ( left wing political rag) frightened the hell out of my Wife early yesterday as she was returning to the car park loaded with shopping,. . . .when she said she hadn't got any spare cash ( she paid on card ) the immigrant lady called her a "Racist Bitch" and she was seriously frightened. . . .fortunately, other local shoppers rounded on the paper seller and chased her off. . . . . . Jesus, what are we coming to here ? . . . . We are currently over run with beggars who can become very violent if you don't give them any money and the cops are often nowhere to be seen. . . . . . . . I had an incident with a couple of blokes in Birmingham recently, who jumped on my van at a traffic intersection and began cleaning my windscreen. . . . after which they then demanded a fiver ( £5.00 ) I said. ++++ - +++ can't write what I said here,. . . . and they broke my passenger side window, costing me £87.00 plus 20% VAT to repair. . . .again,. . . no cops in sight. 20 years ago I'd have got out of the van and beat the living crap out of all of them, but at 63 ? ? ? ? stanley knife across the chest,. . .I don't think so. We are going to hell in a hand cart here in the UK thanks to bloody useless politicians,. . . .I hope it doesn't get that way in the Lucky Country guys. . . . . Kind regards, and Merry New Year. . . . . Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 England sounds like a real hole. The society austerity budget creates sounds awful. What ever happened to Cool Britannia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 England sounds like a real hole. The society austerity budget creates sounds awful. What ever happened to Cool Britannia? Fly,. . . . . . . Just. . . . . forget it. I just can't be arsed mate. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I have close friends and some old clients who came from the middle-east, and they are all hard working, honest, community minded people, who have settled and intergrated in such a way, that no Aussie who really loves his country, could ever complain about. Really lovely people! Maybe it's a coincidence, but all the above just happen to be Catholics? (which i'm not) I have no doubt whatsover, that there are thousands of Muslims here who have arrived via the proper channels and contribute to the wellbeing of the country. However, there is a growing number who seem to live on the darker side, which is of concern, as many of them were born here. In my view the good ones are a weak bunch of bastards if they don't do more to weed out their minority who do not conform. A quick read of the police incident reports in the local papers in SW Sydney, indicate in the majority of cases that the suspects were of middle eastern appearance. Shootings have sadly become an almost daily occurrence, and more often than not, is connected to the drug trade, other rorts and bikie gangs, which many of them aspire to control, until lead starts flying when they least expect it. I have no problem with multiculturism, providing those who are given the priviledge of a new start in life in propotionate numbers, do so in a law abiding manner, and don't change things to being like the place from they were supposedly fleeing. Allowing anyone in without proper documentation and background checks, is without doubt, risky in the majority of cases. Nearly 40yrs ago, I had to undergo so many checks, for health ,criminal background, employment offers, sufficient money to support myself and family until fully settled, so as not to be a burden on the system, pay our own fares, then patiently wait in line till till given the go-ahead. Being choosey who they allowed in, gave me confidence that it would be a great place to live. Despite finding myself out of work when the firm I worked for ceased trading a few months after arrival, I was too proud to ask for the dole, as I felt I had not at that point contributed to the country. That's probably just being "old school" I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 We really got ourselves into a lot of trouble importing poms, but some of them were OK Planey. I think you've really summed up the fallout of careless immigration policy. Once you let it become entrenched, virtually only a civil war will root it out, because the general population just don't care. As far as being too proud to ask for the dole, that was probably the final stamp of making you an Australian. Surprisingly a lot of today's immigrants feel the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Yep, it's all our fault. Stay ignorant najis. Possibly gives you a warm feeling zoos knowing you are regarded as equivalent to dog turd.... Wow, a lot of rules,,,,can't see to many atheists feeling good about them,,,,,but silence is all it takes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 TP, we could be buying fishing boats right now and the problem would be fixed. Crap!!! Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 TP your dentist is part of a skilled migration program, basically taking he was a well paid job from an Australian kid. Your dentist knows you're an old guy from the empire so he tells you want to hear, if I was your dentist I would let you listen to Alan Jones during visits if you promised to tell your friends what a good dentist I was. I can say without hesitation he is only interested in your money, thats how his kind are (dentists). Sorry you can't read, so I'll help you. The man is not my dentist; I have a well paid Australian dentist. He is a dental specialist and he inherited the practice from an Australian who died. As a fortune teller, I'm afraid you aren't going to make it with the rest of the post, since you haven't guessed any part of it correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahlocks Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Wow, a lot of rules,,,, There's even rules on how to go about shaking the drops off after a squirt...... astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Old Koreelah, while I agree with almost everything you say, I cannot agree with that. Australia has one set of laws which apply to the entire population. In a secular tolerant society there is absolutely no room for any other laws, whether or not they apply only to people who belong to that faith or culture. This should be an absolute for 99% of the population, regardless of anyone's stance on refugees and asylum seekers, so there should be no problem with any government to resist pressure for sharia law or any other. Being an optimist of course. For whoever it was that said atheists don't bag muslims as much as christians, can I for one just say I find their beliefs just as silly as any other religion. (Slightly sillier actually, bacon tastes GOOD.) Happy? I hope you are proven right, Marty. A few years back an Imam suggested that if traditional Aboriginal Law can be accommodated in this country, then so should Sharia. Concerned people from France and The Netherlands have warned Australia about the "tipping point" when (from memory) over 5% of the population is Islamic. Past that figure they say changes are inevitable and irreversible. Our political system has often been hijacked by tiny minorites who get the balance of power in the Senate. It would only take a few thousand moslems settling in Tasmania to elect a Senator or two. Perhaps my concerns are without foundation. So far so good. We might find out when another generation of disaffected moslem youths grow up hating so much that our culture stands for. Will we be able to turn it around then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 There's even rules on how to go about shaking the drops off after a squirt...... astounding. Makes the catholic dogma seem almost sane :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Islamic wave is coming, you can't stop it. Its a bigger threat than communist Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Happy New year everyone,. . . . May I just say that I am very glad that this thread has been shifted into the OFF-TOPIC section, as it should have been earlier . . .( Well done mods. . . ) It really was not meant to go the way it went,. . . . but it JUST goes to show what a wonderful place a forum can be. . . . . . you can ask a question about the tensile strength of rawlplug plastic wood and find yourself gradually and sometimes insidiously transformed into a universe discussing the reynolds equation pertaining to a scaled down spitfire aerofoil and why it won't fly when you build a little one. . . . or whether something as basic as mervious knicker elastic could be the key to fusion dynamics, or whether the deane drive should really have worked or is air REALLY as thick as you think or are laser beams just bloody useless for most purposes. . . or why do they charge me to connect to the bloody internet when it doesn't actually cost them anything. . . . .without realising how on EARTH you got there. . . . . Fascinating isn't it. . . . . this is why I don't go to bed until 12:20 in the morning sometimes. . . . I'm just so enthralled. . . . . .Just. . . .WAITING . . . .to hear what might . . .just come up next. . . . . Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Phil, if you can't sleep, try reading the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic36 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 This should be an absolute for 99% of the population, regardless of anyone's stance on refugees and asylum seekers, so there should be no problem with any government to resist pressure for sharia law or any other. Being an optimist of course. Don't forget it only takes one M.P holding the balance of power in our democracy to force change on us all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Phil, if you can't sleep, try reading the bible. Yep - a few "begats" will make anyone nod off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I hope you are proven right, Marty. A few years back an Imam suggested that if traditional Aboriginal Law can be accommodated in this country, then so should Sharia. Concerned people from France and The Netherlands have warned Australia about the "tipping point" when (from memory) over 5% of the population is Islamic. Past that figure they say changes are inevitable and irreversible. Our political system has often been hijacked by tiny minorites who get the balance of power in the Senate. It would only take a few thousand moslems settling in Tasmania to elect a Senator or two. Perhaps my concerns are without foundation. So far so good. We might find out when another generation of disaffected moslem youths grow up hating so much that our culture stands for. Will we be able to turn it around then? You are right about the minorities - doesn't even take a few thousand, that Motor Sports eejit got in with 1900 votes (I think) and the rest were preferences. Regarding disaffected youth, there are no easy fixes but one of them is simply immersion in mainstream culture. IF they can get work, IF they can stay in education, IF they can become middle class citizens then hopefully there won't be that hatred. There's a link between religiosity and low socio-economic factors... if you ain't got nothing in this life then your belief in the next becomes more fervent. On the other hand if you're reasonably content with your lot in the culture you live in, you're not going to want to be a radical. I don't think your concerns are without foundation at all. Unless we strive to keep our freedoms then we could lose them. But the way to keep our freedoms is not to adopt a bunker or "us and them" mentality - it's to use our brains, educate our children, create meaningful jobs, have balanced media (and by that I don't just mean politically, I mean they give context to news events) and apply the laws of the land fairly. Easy to say but hard to do. Radical imams depend on ignorance and poverty. Take away those two things and fundamentalism will wither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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