fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 During the Libyan revolution the Italians accepted 17500 refugees in one day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 During the Libyan revolution the Italians accepted 17500 refugees in one day! That's great, but your confusing refugees with illegal immigrants , if someone crosses several at peace countries to come here then discard their ID to deceitfully gain entry to Australia how is that a refugee, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 again, you are believing the racist crap that the murdoch media is pumping out without questioning the validity of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 again, you are believing the racist crap that the murdoch media is pumping out without questioning the validity of the facts. Again, is anything in my post false, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Originally meant as a joke and not to cause intense and serious debate Pud - just ended up that way. Perhaps time the mods moved the relevant debate to off topic? Fully agree Bandit. Thread drift sure must be a pain for our moderators. As a repeat offender I must congratulate them for keeping this forum functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 No reliable source has ever agreed with the use of the term" illegal" as the LNP apply it to what we call boat people. This point has been brought up time and time again, but it continues to be used in a move to vilify the people involved, for political purposes. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahlocks Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Fully agree Bandit. Thread drift sure must be a pain for our moderators. As a repeat offender I must congratulate them for keeping this forum functional. Thought about locking the thread it a few times but hey, we're all adults and capable of discussing emotive topics without killing each other here aren't we? Moved from humour to off topic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Again, is anything in my post false, this might refresh your memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair#Senate_inquiry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 No reliable source has ever agreed with the use of the term" illegal" as the LNP apply it to what we call boat people. This point has been brought up time and time again, but it continues to be used in a move to vilify the people involved, for political purposes. Nev I don't know whether you know it but you are quoting direct propaganda from the extreme Refugee Council of Australia. If they were legal there would be no impediment to them entering the Country, as did my Dental specialist, from Iraq, and my family Doctor, from Egypt, both some of the nicest people you would ever meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Too bad if you haven't got skills thought. Australia is a bit special, we steal medical staff from 3rd world and send them our E-waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Again, is anything in my post false, Again...YES But you know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Regarding the Refugee Council...I'm not aware of that, which I would suggest is co-incidence. My sources are from parliamentary records and other trustworthy sources, mostly legal. This Immigration/ refugee matter has been politicised in the extreme which is a disaster for a good outcome and splits society. This happens wherever it is done. There is a debate that needs to be had, but it is not likely, to be productive in the circumstances that have prevailed for about 10 years or more in this country, where the issue has been used for political advantage. I rarely enter into political discussions on this forum as it is doomed to failure most times, as I doubt it is possible political agreement that unites us. We are here about aeroplanes mostly, and have enough difficulty with that at times, but we work through that because we are ALL into it. Nev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Again...YESBut you know this. Which part ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The reason this issue carries so much weight in Australia because it hits that racist nerve so hard, Tampa was a gift to Howard and it still keeps giving to the LNP. Australia is now in the situation where we are committed to indefinitely running concentration camps for the foreseeable future, a cost of $1.2B a year. Since the election 36 boats have arrived, Abbott hasn't bought a single boat and the Indonesian gov. are refusing to cooperate on stopping people smuggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Regarding the Refugee Council...I'm not aware of that, which I would suggest is co-incidence. My sources are from parliamentary records and other trustworthy sources, mostly legal. This Immigration/ refugee matter has been politicised in the extreme which is a disaster for a good outcome and splits society. This happens wherever it is done. There is a debate that needs to be had, but it is not likely, to be productive in the circumstances that have prevailed for about 10 years or more in this country, where the issue has been used for political advantage.I rarely enter into political discussions on this forum as it is doomed to failure most times, as I doubt it is possible political agreement that unites us. We are here about aeroplanes mostly, and have enough difficulty with that at times, but we work through that because we are ALL into it. Nev. Well if you're sourcing government documents, you'll see that the government and opposition, have not really been politicising it. Both have stuck to processing offshore to stop the rorting of the Australian legal system They had different ideas on where to send arrivals and how to make Australia less attractive to rich people smugglers, but that is part of the Westminster system. When Julia Gillard started to get some traction with her offshore strategy the coalition has not allowed that gain to slide backwards. That doesn't suit the refugee industry which has grown into a multi million dollar operation with entrepreneurs and marketers making more money than we dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Both the ALP and LNP have managed to drag us into this stupid situation. I can't see any way out of it and the cost will continue to rise. Going to be a $2B expense in 5 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Someone mentioned they trust the government's immigration plan...Honestly Australia wake up... THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT IMMIGRATION PLAN. Unless you call bringing in 100s of thousands of foreign workers to pay taxes and drive the property market...and the only people providing any planning there is the developers influencing govt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 And youse all are crowing madly about a fee arrivals through te back door well the front door is flapping like there hurrican due to so many coming I ...good work your kids will thank you when they can't get a job let alone buy their own home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 The LNP immigration plan is 457 visa's for anyone who will work for $2 a day, for Gorgeous Gina's personal MINE. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot Pete Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Does anyone know Barton's speech. Find it and read it. We should get back to the way things were! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
503 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 How about asking anyone wanting to live here ,is this true"your either with us or against us" the do gooders don't seem to see this,you can't all live like a big happy family if some are brought up this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hmmm definitely sounds like you know a lot more about this than everyone else 503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 How about asking anyone wanting to live here ,is this true"your either with us or against us" the do gooders don't seem to see this,you can't all live like a big happy family if some are brought up this way Bullpitt. Ironically fear of heights is the common fear amongst innocent children...the rest of your prejudices were gifts from mum and dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Is that funny? Sorry Windsor. . . . Was just a joke,. . . . . can't believe what it's blown up into now. . . . . . . . Phil ( Happy New Year by the way. . . .) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 You are right about the veto. It's a complete corruption of the democratic principle of equal voting power. Russia and Chine are complicit too. Nev One thing I really DO believe Nev,. . . . . . . and this is the fact that Vladimir Putin ( love him or otherwise ) decided to veto any US led military intervention in Syria when it was obviously far FAR too LATE to do any good . . . TOO LATE. . . . . for it to have created any advantage for the "Free Syrian Army" or whatever they were called. . . . . as by that time, thanks to international "Dithering" about semantics for several months. . ., all the Jihadi fighters and other mongrels from countries who had absolutely NOTHING to do with the place ( Including a large bunch of English "Home Grown" so called "Freedom Fighters for an Islamic state" ) had infested Syria and were already violently applying their version of Dark Ages "ISLAMIC RULES" to all and sundry on the ground. Now it's just a bloody mess,. . .and I don't believe that anyone has a half sensible answer to it all. By all means hate the Russians as much as you like, but this is an undeniable truth. They went through all that in Afghanistan, and seemed to be doing OK, that is, until Sylvester Stallone turned up and defeated them all single handed, and I KNOW that's true because I watched the Rambo movie on Christmas Eve. . . . . Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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