Middle East conflict

[Litespeed]

What Red said times 10

[red750]

That manuscript was a copy of a Facebook post.

[rgmwa]

Looks like it’s a ‘no’ from us then. 

[Litespeed]

Now we can hope he spits the dummy and cancels the AUKUS deal

[onetrack]

I really think the AUKUS deal and the Yank submarine deal needs to be cancelled - from our end.

The last thing we need is to deal with, is a tantrum-throwing toddler when he's supposed to be leading the worlds only remaining superpower, and setting statesmanship-like behaviour and standards. 

On top of that, the subs are vastly overpriced, and will be delivered 30 years too late, and be obsolete when they are delivered.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Not to mention they are too large for our more shallow regional waters. 

 

I posted a YT video of war games where one of our "noisy" Collins class subs easily accounted for one of their nuclear subs...

 

(and ours was commanded by a native Brit... How is that for irony in an AUKUS context). 

[old man emu]

There were war games held a few years ago around Hawaii. Our clunky Collins Class sub "torpedoed" a US destroyer or such through the sheer cunning and seamanship of our Captain

[Jerry_Atrick]

On another note, one of the interesting things to come from this was our refugee system, which is considered one of the worst ones in the development world and freuently is the subject of intenational condemnation, including from teh UN: https://www.unhcr.org/au/monitoring-asylum-australia

 

Despite the reasons for our asylum system, and despite the need to ensure all apoplications meet the criteria required that they are not a risk to Australia and that if returned to their homeland, they are likely to be persecuted, killed, etc for the people they are (e.g. activitists, gay, etc). OK, the Ausssie government could easily identify them, but how could they in a day determine their status and likely safety at home? Yeah they are footblallers, yeah they are women.. Did that make them eligible or able to be ualified as not being an undue rrisk? Yes, you could argue they were to go back to a war zone, but there are many refugees in camps and detention centres in that position, so why wouldn't it apply to them. 

 

As it turns out, they themselves deided they no longer needed asylum and it was safe to return.. to a war zone. Of course, there could be something more nefarious at operation - they may well have received threatd or legitimately been concerned of the ramifications them staying in Australia would have on their families by the regime. 

 

But now, it beckons the question - if it is good enough to turn around anylum claimes very quickly for some footballers, then why is it good enough for us to virtually torture our Asykum seekers? Yes, we shoiuld be diligent with applicants and make clear economic migrants should be sent back to go through other routes of migration. But waiting up to 4 years before one can even get permission to apply for asylum is cruel. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[onetrack]

A criminal behaviour record is the primary reason for rejection in an application for admittance to Australia - and always has been - the same as most countries.

But unfortunately, many refugees make sure their criminal behaviour records are erased, lost, or otherwise made unavailable.

 

This is how the criminal Lebanese arrived in Australia as "refugees" in the mid-to-late 1970's. They claimed they were refugees from the civil war in Lebanon - but the truth was, they were largely jailbirds with a long history of criminal behaviour, and the Syrian Army purposely destroyed all their criminal records, so nothing showed up in a search by immigration authorities.

 

As a result, they fell into limbo in the Immigration Dept applications - and Malcolm Fraser overrode the Immigration Dept heads who wanted to send them back - because Fraser was a "softie" who claimed that sending them back meant certain death for them.

As we've seen with all the recent "Middle-Eastern Crime Gangs" murderous activities in mostly SW Sydney, they are still criminals, and still indulging in massive amounts of high-level criminal behaviour.

 

If you watch "Border Security - Australias Front Line", you will see many arrivals by air producing fake reasons, fake documentation, and outright lies to gain entry to Australia for various nefarious reasons. Many just want to disappear once they get into the country.

They're interviewed and checked out at length, by BS officers - and sent straight back to where they came from, if their stories and information don't stack up.

 

All immigrant applications should be treated the same, regardless of whether they are claiming to be refugees under threat of death if they return to their country of origin, or not.

The problem is, a lot of these people are sent here, or come here, simply because they're troublemakers where they came from, and the locals want shot of them.

 

And of course, numbers of them are either drug mules, full-time scam operators, and "footmen" for major crime gang operations. They arrive with ill intent.

[facthunter]

I guess most of you won't be travelling to the USA anytime soon. Also Man who go on camping holiday often have Naughty in tent. 'Confucius'.  Nev

[old man emu]

13 hours ago, onetrack said:

the recent "Middle-Eastern Crime Gangs" murderous activities in mostly SW Sydney, they are still criminals, and still indulging in massive amounts of high-level criminal behaviour.

When I was a new Constable back in 1980, fresh from the Police Academy, I was posted to Campsie, which is next-door to Bankstown. The Division included Lakemba. At that time it was strongly Lebanese. One of the notoriuous families there was the Alameddine family. They crooks then are now old men, but the now we have the third generation which is carrying on the criminal activities.

 

The Alam al-Dins, also spelled Alamuddin or Alameddine, were a Druze family that intermittently held or contested the paramount chieftainship of the Druze districts of Mount Lebanon in opposition to the Ma'n and Shihab families in the late 17th and early 18th centuries during Ottoman rule. The Sydney branch of the family came as refugees from the Lebanese Civil War.

[facthunter]

 

Sir Frances Drake was a Pirate. Jack the ripper was English (I think).  A few English Kings weren't that hot. There was more crime in the UK during WW2 than in Peace time.  Then there's the Italian Mafia..  The Russian and Ukrainian thugs and gangs. Chinese triads.  and so on. Nev

[red750]

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