Middle East conflict

[Litespeed]

What Red said times 10

[red750]

That manuscript was a copy of a Facebook post.

[rgmwa]

Looks like it’s a ‘no’ from us then. 

[Litespeed]

Now we can hope he spits the dummy and cancels the AUKUS deal

[onetrack]

I really think the AUKUS deal and the Yank submarine deal needs to be cancelled - from our end.

The last thing we need is to deal with, is a tantrum-throwing toddler when he's supposed to be leading the worlds only remaining superpower, and setting statesmanship-like behaviour and standards. 

On top of that, the subs are vastly overpriced, and will be delivered 30 years too late, and be obsolete when they are delivered.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Not to mention they are too large for our more shallow regional waters. 

 

I posted a YT video of war games where one of our "noisy" Collins class subs easily accounted for one of their nuclear subs...

 

(and ours was commanded by a native Brit... How is that for irony in an AUKUS context). 

[old man emu]

There were war games held a few years ago around Hawaii. Our clunky Collins Class sub "torpedoed" a US destroyer or such through the sheer cunning and seamanship of our Captain

[Jerry_Atrick]

On another note, one of the interesting things to come from this was our refugee system, which is considered one of the worst ones in the development world and freuently is the subject of intenational condemnation, including from teh UN: https://www.unhcr.org/au/monitoring-asylum-australia

 

Despite the reasons for our asylum system, and despite the need to ensure all apoplications meet the criteria required that they are not a risk to Australia and that if returned to their homeland, they are likely to be persecuted, killed, etc for the people they are (e.g. activitists, gay, etc). OK, the Ausssie government could easily identify them, but how could they in a day determine their status and likely safety at home? Yeah they are footblallers, yeah they are women.. Did that make them eligible or able to be ualified as not being an undue rrisk? Yes, you could argue they were to go back to a war zone, but there are many refugees in camps and detention centres in that position, so why wouldn't it apply to them. 

 

As it turns out, they themselves deided they no longer needed asylum and it was safe to return.. to a war zone. Of course, there could be something more nefarious at operation - they may well have received threatd or legitimately been concerned of the ramifications them staying in Australia would have on their families by the regime. 

 

But now, it beckons the question - if it is good enough to turn around anylum claimes very quickly for some footballers, then why is it good enough for us to virtually torture our Asykum seekers? Yes, we shoiuld be diligent with applicants and make clear economic migrants should be sent back to go through other routes of migration. But waiting up to 4 years before one can even get permission to apply for asylum is cruel. 

Edited 3 minutes ago by Jerry_Atrick