Is our 2 party system just a con?

[onetrack]

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this is just a forum where you  bully anyone with a different opinion to you

Bullying?? This - from one of the most abusive, right wing ranters I have seen on any forum? In every second post you are being personally abusive to other contributors, with personal denigration attacks.

You take peoples statements out of context, or amplify them to extreme levels. You abuse Nev because he has reservations about Rotax engine designs, and makes out that he says all Rotax-powered aircraft are going to fall from the sky.

 

I'm not "shit-scared" of getting out of my car in Northam - but I do have personal experience of my wife being threatened with rape in a womans toilet in Northam by a gang of dark-skinned teenage juveniles who followed her in, unbeknowns to me.

 

I do know, with 5 police or ex-police in our extended family, that Northam registers high on crime rates, and I know it's a combination of drugs, poor parenting, and juvenile delinquency. My nephews big industrial property just out of Northam was raided, and the thieves stole every computer in the place, costing him a motza. The crims weren't immigrants.

 

These problems, of poor parenting, drugs, juveniles being led in to crime, are world wide, not just in Victoria. Your state does seem to have a spike in crime by the offspring of Sudanese immigrants, I guess the police will get a handle on it, soon.

 

You live in a world of "left-wing" hatred and abuse, generated by Hanson, Trump, Gina Hancock, et al. It's about time you took a hard look at yourself and put yourself in other peoples shoes.

You're obviously very wealthy, you own several trucks, you're a businessman, you own aircraft, you can afford to fly regularly, you probably own more than one property.

 

You've achieved all that, despite "left wing liars" (another abusive right wing tirade - as if right-wing politicians never lie) being in Federal and State power, for a large proportion of the 21st century. You still make good money under Labor control and decision-making.

 

I guess you want to live in the right-wing dream world where there are only white people in Australia, where corporations can do what they like, where poor people are alway just regarded as poor, because they're lazy, and where juvenile criminals are sent to the electric chair for stealing a car. You live in a world of childish simplistic answers and solutions.

[red750]

16 year old Mernda Aussie teen Declan was hunted by a Sudanese youth gang then stabbed 56 times and he received 66 blunt force injuries.
One of Declan's African killers was released because he was deemed too young to take responsibility for murder.

 

 

 

[Litespeed]

As a long time forumite...

 

I am sick of the abusive trolling from some new members.

 

Just like certain politicians they refuse to have basic common decency in their speech and abuse and bully those they disagree with.

 

People are entitled to opinions but not make up facts and racist lies to force their argument onto others.

 

Enough.

 

Moderators please act on this now before the forum turns into a lava flow of far rightwing hate speech.

 

It is quite obvious some have joined up to pursue a political agenda to the determent of the forum.

[Siso]

15 hours ago, onetrack said:

You talk a lot of shit, mate. Your right-wing parties are so useless they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery if they bought their own glasses. As soon as Hanson gets any kind of power, she'll be asking Gina Hancock to help run the country.

 

And Hancock is just a robber baron, shafting every Australian, while she claims we should all bow down and be grateful to her, for ripping all our minerals out of the ground so she can make more millions without lifting a finger. She gets multiple millions a year for just collecting royalties and pays no tax, because it 

Labor tries to adjust the tax system so the housing bubble doesn't explode, and tries to help young people acquire an affordable home - and all the Landcruiser-driving, big boat boat-owning, multiple property owners and developers, start screeching they've been shafted, and Labor is a pack of arseholes.

No, it's the greedy property owners who keep wanting million-dollar property gains every year, while they pay only a pittance in tax, thanks to all their wangled tax ded

 

Right wing. Left wing it does't matter, they are all sht at the moment. Have a look who backs the other partys before you pick on one paticular party. What has what Lang Hancock got to do with anything in the current climate. I only own my own home but am pssed off with politicians saying one thing before an election and changing their mind on it. Are you trying to tell me they had no pkans before the election on tjese policys. Are we supposed to just ignore the lies. These people are supposed to be the ones we trust with running our country and they are the least trustful out there. No wonder ON is doing well. People have had a gutsful of the dishonesty and are trying to punish the current batch.

[red750]

Circumstances change. What may appear to have  been appropriate or good policy at one time, before an election, may be totally incorrect  later. Rigidly sticking to an idea which is no longer appropriate just to avoid being accused of lying is irresponsible. One has to change with the tide.

[facthunter]

Labor changed their mind to HELP first Home Buyers get a leg on the Ladder of Home Ownership They knew Some would take the Opportunity to have a go at them but took the risk. Is THAT a BAD thing?  Look where the Nat's/ Libs are NOW and it's looking worse for them every day. . Them's just the FACTS.  For a Long time, all they have done is say NO and obstruct. The People have decided.. Nev 

[octave]

One problem is that during an election, the electorate doesn't really want to hear the truth.   Take house affordability.   Most people acknowledge that homes, especially for first-time buyers, are way too expensive. A politician who promises to lower housing prices will surely do well until people who actually own a home realise that devaluing housing prices devalues their property as well.  Not a great election pitch to existing home owners.  Note, I personally am fine with that; you can't have everything.

 

I find that voters at election time are rather like kiddies sitting on Santa's lap. They just want to be told what is in it for them.

[facthunter]

What's IN it for ME, is all they care about. What about what is best for the Country?  Generally Treasurers Never Made PM. Some of what they HAD to do Made them unpopular figures. Nev

[Siso]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

Circumstances change. What may appear to have  been appropriate or good policy at one time, before an election, may be totally incorrect  later. Rigidly sticking to an idea which is no longer appropriate just to avoid being accused of lying is irresponsible. One has to change with the tide.

Do you really believe they weren't considering this before the election!! They new, we may as well have ON in. Lying pieces of sh#t. Politicians are a joke! The housing crisis hasn't just apeared since the election. Going out of my way to be as honest as possible, this really bugs me!

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[onetrack]

If you think the current crop of Federal Labor politicians are crooked and liars, you must have a short memory. Johnny Howard was a pretty good liar when it suited his aims.

He took us into an unnecessary and useless War in Iraq, selling us American lies disguised as Truth.

If Hanson gets any kind of power, she'd be right up there with Trump, sending all our Defence personnel and equipment to help in his unpopular, illegal, and unconstitutional Iranian War.

 

I quoted the Hancocks, because Hanson adores Gina Hancock, takes millions from her, and thereby owes her "big-time", and would do whatever Gina insisted, such as ensuring unions were gutted - just like America, where workers rights don't exist, only continuous concessions to huge corporations.

 

This American bloke in the video below points out how Australia is the land of robber barons, enriching themselves annually beyond the ordinary persons wildest dreams - whilst not working any harder than a lot of everyday employees.

The corporate control over all over polticians is frightening - but the right wing politicians continually concede major concessions to them, thus making the everyday cost of living harder and harder for ordinary Australians. Hanson would be a pushover for corporate greed, and corporate greed drives a lot of Australia's basic problems.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/other/the-real-power-structure-controlling-australia-s-economy/vi-AA21hRmY

 

Edited 5 hours ago by onetrack

[willedoo]

19 minutes ago, onetrack said:

If Hanson gets any kind of power

Apologies for quoting just a portion of a sentence, but I'm just commenting on that possibility. For them to gain any effective power I can only see three scenarios. The first and second are assuming Labor can't form a majority at the next election. In that case, One Nation could either be the senior partner in a One Nation/Liberal coalition government, or the junior partner. For the third scenario, Labor holds enough seats to govern in their own right or with the support of independents, but One Nation does well in the Senate and holds the balance of power in the upper house. I don't know whether that's possible or not as I haven't checked how that could happen given there's eight parties and two independents holding senate seats and it will likely be a half senate election if there's no double dissolution. At this stage, while always possible, it's hard to see One Nation gaining enough seats in the lower house to govern in their own right.

[Siso]

On 11/03/2026 at 6:29 AM, facthunter said:

Perilous Pauline  is a Magnet for Misfits and Malcontents. How will they ALL get on together?. Being promoted by Murdoch should. by rights. be their Kiss of death. Nev

A magnet for people who are sick of the standard of politicians we have now. Surprised people can't see that

[Siso]

They are worse now than they have everbeen.both sides

[Marty_d]

2 hours ago, Siso said:

A magnet for people who are sick of the standard of politicians we have now. Surprised people can't see that

That's kind of like saying "I'm sick of this rash, I'd rather have my arms amputated."

[willedoo]

The ON surge is understandable in one way and unexplainable in another. Sure, I'm a Queenslander and know well that ON, a Queensland based party, has always done ok in elections in this state for a small party. By ok, I mean polling numbers like 10% compared to much smaller figures in other states. But this time around, I don't know how to put it in words, except to say the shift is major going by what I'm hearing from people everywhere. By that I mean people who haven't voted that way before. If we were six months out from a Federal election, I'd be of the opinion a lot of people still aren't fully aware of what's about to hit on voting day. But we're not six months out and the two major parties have almost two years to turn things around. Not such a hard job for the government as it is for the Liberals; if they don't rebuild to a reasonably solid base in the next twelve months, they're done and dusted for sure.

 

The last year of a three year term is almost like one big long election campaign, so the Libs don't have much time on their hands. They're still sliding down, so they have to halt that before they even have any chance of heading back in the other direction. They're probably looking for a circuit breaker but it's hard for them to get traction when they're still losing supporters and One Nation is dominating the media. If it was newspapers, you'd find mention of the Libs somewhere down the back between the sport and classified ads, while the front page is all about Albo and Pauline.