Is our 2 party system just a con?

[nomadpete]

Back in the day, many Chinese made better money by growing market gardens and selling food to european miners.

[onetrack]

As did the storepeople - selling picks, spades, panning dishes, pots and pans, tents, boots, hats, flannette shirts, moleskin trousers, bedrolls, pistols, tobacco, and all the stuff that miners need to survive in rugged terrain. Leather pouches for holding gold nuggets were a must, and even small gold scales were in high demand.

 

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[nomadpete]

I don't like a two party system, mostly because it works like a duoploy. It gives the impression that we have a choice without actually giving MUCH choice.

 

The biggest flaw in politics is the hidden financial 'sponsorship' directly favoring candidates.

 

Someone famously said, “I don’t care who does the electing as long as I do the nominating.”

 

All that happens way before the actual election where we try to vote for a 'least worst' candidate, whilst pondering 'was that the best they could find for us'?

[old man emu]

Remember when we had a third party - the Democrats? That was before the Greens, wasn't it? We also had the Democratic Labor Party, and the Communist Party. 

[nomadpete]

That's done it for me.

 

I am ready to abandon democracy. In it's modern form it thrives on dividing society, on promoting extremism and on protecting oligarcs. Tweedism.

 

Bring on government by A.I.

 

It is my only hope for a logic based government. One that is constantly scanning and constantly responsive to the will of the masses.

[onetrack]

No, Govt by AI will be a total failure. It will fail us, just as we need it. Get a look at this, it fails even a basic request 😄  ......

 

 

[Marty_d]

Well, you've just put yourself on an ASIO watchlist OT!

[facthunter]

Anyhow WE don't HAVE a 2 Party system. Why DO they call Taylor "Leader of the Opposition", has ME tossed, when they are actually facing extinction. Hanson is Portrayed as Future PM when she has ONLY ONE person in the Lower House, and a Gift wrapped Little "SEXY" Plane that at some stage will Probably Scare the $#!t out of her.  (Like her walk on Uluru) where she slid down a ridge in her shorts like a Dog with Worms, because she was too scared to stand up. Doing a STUNT to Defy the Aborigines call to respect the Rock as a Sacred Place. Funniest thing I've ever seen,  the Look of abject fear on Her Face.  The Rock 10, Hanson Zero..   Nev

[willedoo]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

Remember when we had a third party - the Democrats?

They used to call them the fairies at the bottom of the garden party, they obviously being those that had no truck with Don's mob.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I was a member of the Democrats, I didn't last long because I considered them not to be nationalistic enough. I continued watching out for a party that only had Australia in mind - enter One Nation - been a supporter ever since.

 

The leader of the Democrats, Don Chipp, did get one thing right, he said there'll be no more world wars, just smaller localized wars. He also apologized for the 60s conscription, he was the only one brave and sensitive enough to do that, being an ex Liberal but still a bit of Liberal in him. I respected him for apologizing. Can't say the same for the rest of the political hoons in the major parties. I've never voted for any of that flotsam and jetsam. 

[willedoo]

I don't know much about the Democrats but had the impression they lost their way a bit from what they originally intended to be.

[facthunter]

She only has Australia in Mind but follows Donald Trump? How does THAT work? Her Words are Just that. Empty words for Naive people silly enough to Believe them. Their Party seems attractive to Malcontents and drop outs Like Barnaby, who would have to be amongst the best examples of disloyal Opportunism about.. Her SHOW will Never have a true Purpose. Self Interest does not constitute a TEAM effort.  Gina And Murdoch control that Mob.  They are Just Puppets on strings and out of their Depth. Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Whatever

[red750]

A Facebook post by One Nation Supporters Group.

 

🟠 LABOR LOST THE PRIMARY VOTE BY 10 POINTS LAST NIGHT BUT STILL WON THE SEAT. WHY? PREFERENCES. 🟠

 

Stafford just showed every voter on the right exactly why preferences matter. Labor's primary vote dropped 8.1 points. The LNP got 40.4% of the primary. Labor got 30.7%. Almost a 10-point gap. And Labor still won the seat.
How? Preferences.
THE NUMBERS
RIGHT LEANING:
• LNP (Hammond): 40.4%
• Family First (Denaro): 2.4%
• Independent Damian Smart (Gerard Rennick's People First): 1.9%
• Libertarians (Selff): 1.1%
That is roughly 45.8% of the vote on the right.
LEFT/CENTER LEFT:
• Labor: 30.7%
• Greens: 14.6%
• Independent Liam Parry (Queensland Socialists candidate, far left): 3.8%
• Legalise Cannabis: 3.0%
• Animal Justice Party: 2.1%
That is roughly 54.2% on the left.
And One Nation: 0.0%, 0 votes, minus 3.2% because we did not run.
So the right had 45.8% of the primary vote but lost because:
1. The left bloc is bigger at 54.2%
2. The right's 45.8% is split across FOUR different parties or candidates
3. Those right leaning minor party preferences are not all flowing cleanly to the LNP
4. Meanwhile every single left vote is funnelling back to Labor
5. If One Nation had a candidate for Stafford, the right would have won this seat

[Siso]

They are all puppets, left included. Some party's hide it better then others and some are more transparent, not necessarily the ones that say they will be. Most are straight out liars as we have recently seen!

[old man emu]

Isn't it amazing how the Information Highway has led us to a destination where we have contempt for those who tell us that they are working for our benefit?

[nomadpete]

Unfortunately the cynics among us have become so disillusioned that they/we have stopped looking for good motives in our leaders. The worst of the worst have tainted the better ones.

[nomadpete]

Which allows the worst to get away with more.

[randomx]

Heard something on a clip the other day with one of our leading economists talking about Labor destroying business, which they have been exactly what l've been saying buttt.

He then said the Gov wants to own Australians again and that's one reason they are destroying business.

 

Any idea at all what he meant by that, owning us again?

Did he mean they want everything Gov owned or us all working for the Gov or wth ?

Prob a long shot question without the full vid, sorry should've saved it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by randomx

[facthunter]

Doesn't sound as if we are Missing MUCH. Nev.

[randomx]

l reckon if Angus wants a real shot he better back right off on their shutting down the net zero thing.

How could they not realize that after Duttons disaster.

[facthunter]

Angus is a dope.  He stuffed up Big getting rid of LEY.. Nev

[pmccarthy]

This is the worst period of government I can remember in my lifetime. Perhaps except the Whitlam years. The ideology is to take from us all and redistribute to those who the Government sees as deserving. For which, read labor voters.

[pmccarthy]

In October 2024 Anthony Albanese bought a $4.3 million clifftop property at Copacabana on the NSW Central Coast. The main access road to the area is Avoca Drive.

Back in January 2023 Albanese had personally announced 70 million dollars in federal funding for upgrades to Avoca Drive on top of the 30 million Labor had already promised during the 2022 election campaign. The federal contribution totalled 100 million dollars with NSW adding another 30 million on top of that.

 

Senator Gerard Rennick moved Senate motions demanding the business case and the correspondence behind the decision. The government confirmed the Commonwealth had produced no federal business case of its own and had relied entirely on NSW assessments. When the Senate asked for the correspondence between the federal and NSW governments Infrastructure Minister Catherine King refused to release it citing Commonwealth state relations concerns.

 

One hundred million dollars for a road on the Central Coast with no federal business case and the paperwork hidden from the Senate. But no money to finish the freight backbone of the country.