What has Trump done now?

[rgmwa]

From Channel 9 news:

"Pakistan has formally recommended US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his "decisive diplomatic intervention" following a spike in violence between India and Pakistan earlier this year. The government praised Trump for leveraging his "pivotal leadership" in May, when several days of cross-border strikes marked the worst regional fighting between the two nuclear-armed nations since 1971, killing dozens and stoking fears of a wider war.

Islamabad and New Delhi agreed to a US-brokered truce on May 8, as one final burst of strikes ripped through parts of the long-disputed Kashmir region – to which both countries claim full sovereignty."

 

However, Modi has previously stated that the deal was worked out directly between India and Pakistan and that Trump had nothing to do with it. The Pakistani announcement also came before Trump bombed Iran, so maybe they will need to reconsider their recommendation. That Nobel peace prize seems to be some way off now.

[onetrack]

I trust someone in the U.S. Administration knows that Iran has thousands of missiles, and is a world leader in missile and drone technology. Just hang around and see what the Iran response is to the "Great Satans" attacks. It will probably be bigger and better than 9/11.

[pmccarthy]

He said he would decide within two weeks. Exactly what happened. A bit deceptive, exactly as intended.

[old man emu]

The Americans have this bee in their bonnets that every country MUST function as a democracy based on their concept of democracy. What if a country has a long history of some other form of social organisation that has been developed over millenia? The US form of democracy has only been in operation for 250 years, and communism for only about 125 years. 

 

We have seen how false the operation of the democratic process is in the USA. Is it little wonder that countries with other forms of social organisation want no part of it?

[pmccarthy]

[octave]

PM have you fact-checked those points?

[pmccarthy]

No, I am happy to believe whatever reinforces my political inclinations. Like just about everybody who posts here.

[Marty_d]

Far as I can remember, Hillary was never president.

[pmccarthy]

The July 2015 deal was aimed at making it harder for Iran to make a nuclear bomb. At the time, it was believed Iran might be two to three months away from getting a nuclear bomb. But if Iran abided by restrictions imposed by the deal, it would take at least 12 months to build a weapon.
In exchange for curbing its nuclear program, Iran got access to tens of billions of dollars in assets (estimates are as high as $150 billion, but the exact amount is not known). But the vast majority of those assets were Iran’s own money, assets frozen as a result of sanctions imposed on Iran by the United States and other countries.
Clinton has said that her work as secretary of state in putting together sanctions against Iran helped usher Iran to the negotiating table. But Clinton was referring to work she did in 2009 and 2010. And she left the secretary position in February 2013. That means Clinton was gone for 2.5 years before the nuclear deal was struck. In other words, the heavy lifting was done under John Kerry, although Clinton endorsed it.
And President Barack Obama had to sign off on the deal, so it belongs to him more than any secretary of state.
 

[Jerry_Atrick]

I don't think anyone can predictably look into Chump's mind and try and work out what he is going to do. 

 

You all know that I will nornally (after doing research, I hasten to add) present the Israeli side of the story.. But, on the assumption the Jon Stewart vid I posted above is reasonably accurate, the 6 weeks away of Iran having a bomb 12 years ago tells me on this, either the intelligence was way off, or it was stirring up justifications for attacks. 

 

Either way, I have to ask myself why does Iran have a nuclear research facility installed well within a mountain designed to avoid attack? In the same breath, why would Iraq do something that stoopid if they know the western world would descend on them in a not too friendly way? But then, over the years, Mossad has struck many of the lead scientists, etc.. if they didn't, would those 6 weeks have materlaised into a nuclear threat? I don't know, but what I do know is at the moment, US inteliigence has reported to Chump that Iran is not a nuclear threat, and Chumpy has decided to go ahead, after he has said he will pursue all diplomatoc avenues, and then flipped into the 2 week thing. 

 

OK.. I am goiong to say something that many will disagree with.. Chump -as much as he is one - is not stoopid.. You don't get to that position becuase you are. But that doesn't mean his aims are wholesome, either. His aims could be quite evil. I am not saying they are.. He may have some vision of a beautiful world but realises the route necessitates a trip to hell to get there. 

 

Apart from some screaming parts of the media, I am not sure too many are too conceerned at the toppling of the Iranian regime - as long as it is placed with something better and stable; not a power vacuum. They wa I look at it, maybe it is the US cleaning up its mess by providing a regime change in the '50s or 60s from a liberal regime to what we have today. 

[old man emu]

9 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Chump -as much as he is one - is not stoopid.. You don't get to that position becuase you are. But that doesn't mean his aims are wholesome, either. His aims could be quite evil.

Hmmm.   He's an evil genius???

[Jerry_Atrick]

Not stoopid does not equal genius.

[rgmwa]

But he's stupid enough to believe he's a genius.

[facthunter]

He also operates  without MANY FACTS  (Bog ignorant) and cannot comprehend the security Briefings he gets by his Own admission, confirmed by those who do them  His CLAIM to be a VERY STABLE GENIUS is a JOKE. Nev

[red750]

Did the rooster crow too early?

 

Reports that satellite images show holes punctured in the hills where the enriching bunkers are placed, but no proof that the concrete reinforcements were penetrated. Also reports that weapons grade uranium was moved to alternate unknown locations, and the tunnels filled with earth. As for the claim of peace, the ceasefire has already been broken by Iran.

[rgmwa]

I can’t imagine the Iranians wouldn’t have moved their enriched uranium to safer locations long ago. They have had plenty of warning that attacks were coming on their main sites sooner or later. 

Edited June 24 by rgmwa

[nomadpete]

Has donny just united the normally squabbling muslim countries against their comman infidel foe (USA).

[old man emu]

11 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

Has donny just united the normally squabbling muslim countries against their comman infidel foe (USA).

No. There is too much rivalry amongst them to ever unite.

 

What "infidel" means:  "adherent of a religion opposed to Christianity," from Old French infidèle, from Latin infidelis "unfaithful, not to be trusted,". Originally "a non-Christian" (especially a Saracen); later "one who does not believe in religion, disbeliever in religion generally". As an adjective from mid-15c., "of a religion opposed to Christianity;" 

 

So it is wrong to call the USA an infidel foe. It is the USA which should be calling Muslims (and Jews) infidels.

[old man emu]

I think Trump has been enlightened.

 

 

[rgmwa]

Only because Netanyahu and Iran upset his cease fire deal and made him look bad.  Still the NATO members in the Hague are heaping plenty of flattery on him in their own interests, so that will make him feel better.

 

[ClintonB]

The last thing they shoulder doing is flattering the clown, it will only inflate his self importance level.

maybe they should be looking for that recipe for beef Wellington whilst he is there and serve it for lunch, by accident.

[Marty_d]

Good idea. Commute that woman's sentence if she becomes a cook at the white house.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I saw an article that Chump's approval rating had improved significantly afte the Iran bombings, but can't find it. Most say it is the same, improved a little but still negative. 

 

Personally, I think he is doing a better job than he was.. not because of the middle east, and definitely not because of Ukraine, nor really, any of what he is doing. But any president who drops the F Bomb like he did rises, in this case, only very slightly, in my estimation. Still quite low, but, he was talking about Carlton, after all..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:09 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[old man emu]

4 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Still quite low, but, he was talking about Carlton, after all..

Oy! Watchit, mate.

[onetrack]

Trump and Carlton. Both two hopeless cases that need to be put down.