The impact of Immigration

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I went to a podiatrist early last year, he happened to be muslim. I explained that I needed work done on my large toenails, they were curling and hard for me to trim. Then he started talking about consent, "if I come in his shop, I'm giving consent", or some such thing. Not knowing what he was on about, I gave a reason why it wasn't urgent, excused myself, and left.

 

Anyone know what that consent business is all about? Any experts on Islam here? Perhaps Tony Burqa could clue me in.

[Brendan]

11 hours ago, facthunter said:

You are a very Patient person Octave and put a lot of effort into correcting erroneous figures and statements, There's a hell of a lot of deliberate Misinformation out there so we ALL should put  a more critical eye on stuff from dubious sources for Nefarious Reasons . You have consistently done this for a Long time and I thank you greatly for your efforts. Nev

If anyone criticises the labour party you call it misinformation. 

You refuse to admit crime is out of control in Victoria. Because Daniel Andrews caused it 

Never mention the corruption labour have been involved in.

Billions handed to crime gangs and union officials.

Alboneses has been a communist party member since he was a teenager.

Andrews and Alan are too.

And banging on about one nation being  racist is crap. They only want what's best for Australians and that means slowing the current migration levels and bringing in more stringent entry standards. 

We all know we need immigration just not the way the clowns are doing it at the moment.

Hopefully this November some healing can start when Jacinta Andrews gets kicked out .

But our electoral system needs to change to stop preferences getting unwanted people elected.

I don't know anyone that voted labour yet albo got in by a landslide with prefences.

 

[Brendan]

[Marty_d]

6 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

I went to a podiatrist early last year, he happened to be muslim. I explained that I needed work done on my large toenails, they were curling and hard for me to trim. Then he started talking about consent, "if I come in his shop, I'm giving consent", or some such thing. Not knowing what he was on about, I gave a reason why it wasn't urgent, excused myself, and left.

 

Anyone know what that consent business is all about? Any experts on Islam here? Perhaps Tony Burqa could clue me in.

FFS. He was asking if you consented to his handling your feet to cut your toenails.

When my karate sensei corrects my stance he asks permission to move my arm. 

In the age of Epstein and Weinstein it's just safer to ensure you have consent before touching someone's body.

If you want someone to blame for that, entitled rich creeps like them and indeed "grab 'em on the pussy" Trump should be your target.

[pmccarthy]

I believe that in Australia by law you have to obtain consent before kissing your girlfriend.

[old man emu]

At its very simplest, an assualt consists of touching another person, or being in close enough proximity to continue moving towards touching. An assualt can either be consenteed to, or not. If there is consent, then the assualt is lawful. Those sorts of assaults can range from a handshake, to a hug, to a kiss. Even a tackle in a football game is an assault consented to, as long as the tackle style is lawful under the rules of the game. In the situations I have mentioned, consent is normally assumed as being part of normal interaction.

 

In all other cases, touchin another person is an unconsented assault. Have you ever undergone a procedure in a hospital? Do you remember signing a document to confirm your constent to undergo the procedure?  In the case of the podiatrist, the more serious assault arises from the use of a cutting tool on a part of the body. If one visits a podiatrist for a procedure, one has in one's mind that the assault is consented to. However, the podiatrist is not a mind reader, and therefore for the podiatrist's protection, that consent must be confirmed. The consent can be revoked at any time thereafter.

 

 

 

 

[red750]

4 minutes ago, old man emu said:

If one visits a podiatrist for a procedure, one has in one's mind that the assault is consented to.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. If you didn't want him to touch you and cut your nails, why would you go there? If you go to a hairdresser, it is assumed you give consent to to the barber cutting your hair when you climb into the chair.

 

I am reminded of a comedy sketch I saw on TV a few years ago where a guy and girl were sitting on a couch and he pulled out a tape recorder and turned it on to record asking for permission to kiss her, and recording her approval.

[old man emu]

Getting back to topic.

 

Today is ANZAC Day. I've just come back from the Dawn Service in my town. A lot of people came to the service in ages from five to ninety-five. My town has a very strong tradition of remembrance becasue it was from here that the first citizen's recruiting march of WWI began. https://cooeemarch1915.com/ In a while. I'll go back into town for the daytime service at which there will be a lot more people.

 

However, as I was listening to the radio on the way home this morning there was talk of how the change in origin of our population is going to reduce the importance of ANZAC Day to the national identity. To be brutally honset, ANZAC Day is something that relates to those of us who have links to a British ancestry. Aboriginal people did participate, but thier descendants do not seem to want to be involved. The organisers of the serices in my town have tried to simply get the local Aboriginal community to provide a flag to be flown alongside the Australian and New Zealand flags, but to no avail. I don't want to dwell on that point, so don't you.

 

There are only a few people in town from what we might call the immigrant countries. They are good citizens, but do not have the heritage of ANZAC Day. I suspect that in our major cities the ratio of Anglos to non-Anglos is weighted towards the non-Anglos. Those non-Anglos are Australians. Think of the Italians, Greeks, Germans, Dutch, Hungarians etc who came here after WWII. Their decendants are dinki-di. In the future those whose parents came from India, Africa and Asia will reformulate what an Australian is. But I think that the ANZAC tradition will not be a big ingredint in that fomula. 

 

Is that a bad thing? Lamentable, perhaps, but as a nation's character evolves, some traits disappear.  Should we cling stubbornly to the Past, or accept an evolving Future. I know that you will have strong feelings about this due to how you were brought up, but soon we will be gone. Will our descendants have teh same feelings. Considering what the make up of the Nation will be in say, 50 years, will the clebration of ANZAC Day be important?

 

[Brendan]

[facthunter]

I understand they booed the "Welcome to Country" ceremony.  which is worth Knowing. Nev

[octave]

'Neo-nazis' boo condemned at Melbourne Anzac Day dawn service

[old man emu]

Just got home from the daytime service. A large number of people of all ages attended, including kids from the three schools and the pre-school. These kids marched in the parade along the main street to the memorial, and representatives from each school laid a wreath. Seniors from the high school read the poems, At the Going Down of the Sun; The Inquisative Mind of a Child; Commemoration of the Fallen, and In Flanders Field.

 

You know the song, I am Australian? I mentioned the Coo-ee March. We add antoerh verse:

I'm a band of Coo-ee marchers,

From Gil to Sydney's shore;

We sailed to France

Fought bravely

In the muddy hell of war.

I'm a digger. I'm an ANZAC

I'm a proud Gilgandra son.

My heart, my home, my country.

I am Australian

We don't have the generic war memorial in the main street with a statue of a Digger standing atop. We have a statue in the main street to commemoriate the Coo-ee March. It was sculpted by a member of one of the local families.

 

[rgmwa]

4 hours ago, old man emu said:

There are only a few people in town from what we might call the immigrant countries. They are good citizens, but do not have the heritage of ANZAC Day. I suspect that in our major cities the ratio of Anglos to non-Anglos is weighted towards the non-Anglos. Those non-Anglos are Australians. Think of the Italians, Greeks, Germans, Dutch, Hungarians etc who came here after WWII. Their decendants are dinki-di. In the future those whose parents came from India, Africa and Asia will reformulate what an Australian is. But I think that the ANZAC tradition will not be a big ingredint in that fomula. 

My dad served in the Dutch army as an anti-tank gunner before Germany invaded Holland. He and his crew actually derailed one of the returning German troop trains on its way back to the border after delivering troops to the Rotterdam area on the morning of the invasion. They were also involved in a number of rearguard actions before Holland capitulated. In his later years he decided that despite not being a naturalised Australian he should be entitled to walk in the Anzac parade and take part in the Dawn Service as an allied soldier even though he wasn't an Anzac, so he did. One year he was very proud to be able to march with his grand daughter who was in uniform. She is currently a captain in the Navy. At his funeral in 2016 some local RSL volunteers played the Last Post in accordance with his wishes. Many years ago I went with him on a trip back to Holland, my first time going overseas. We were in a museum in Eindhoven one day and there was a photo among the exhibits of a wrecked locomotive and carriages lying on their sides. He pointed to it and said; "I did that". 

Edited yesterday at 03:43 AM by rgmwa

[old man emu]

It's great to see a photo of one's Dad in a museum collection. I've got private photos of my Dad taken during his service, but I got the biggest thrill when I found a photo in the Australian War Memorial collection of my Dad in a war zone. He did serve in the Western Desert, but was wounded. That crearted a disability that made him unsuitable for infantry duty (no right index finger to pull a trigger), so he was attached to an narmy hospital where he was a warehouseman. Somebody has to receive and issue new bedpans. Dad had his own copy of the photo, but seeing it in the AWM collection with him identified by name is great.

[red750]

"Australians" have the strong link towards Anzac Day  because of the historic and family links referred to in the previous posts. However, if we moved to, say, Canada, would we adopt their historic memorials? It's easy to understand the disassociation immigrants have without the family links to the past.

[willedoo]

9 hours ago, old man emu said:

It's great to see a photo of one's Dad in a museum collection. I've got private photos of my Dad taken during his service, but I got the biggest thrill when I found a photo in the Australian War Memorial collection of my Dad in a war zone.

It's amazing what you can find on the AWM site if you have a good scratch around. A couple of years ago I was doing some research on my Dad's service in WW2 and was looking at 2/9th. Battalion photos in the AWM collection and spotted him in one. He wasn't named, but it was definitely him. Unfortunately the photo title didn't give much information but I got the impression it was a PR photo showing the battalion command along with some randomly picked ordinary ranks, as I couldn't recognise any others from my Dad's section or platoon in the photo. 

[willedoo]

I didn't attend any services this year as I've got my vehicle half pulled apart so no transport, and possibly a good thing as it was pouring rain. I watched the televised dawn service held on the beach at Elephant Rock at Currumbin on the Gold Coast, and I think it was the first time the Currumbin service has been televised. With Gallipoli being a beach landing, the dawn services held on beaches seem to have a bit of extra effect. It was a good service to watch, with a bit of everything from letting homing pidgeons go to John Williamson finishing the service performing his song True Blue.

 

Every Anzac Day I can't help thinking how sad it must have been for some families with multiple losses. You see it quite a bit on small town cenotaphs where there will be three or four of the same surname listed, especially on the WW1 section. Most are usually siblings and/or cousins. Our extended family has only ever lost two members, my great uncle killed in France in 1916, and my nephew in active service with the Navy in 2011. My other great uncle returned home safe from service with the Lighthorse in the Middle East and my father and maternal grandfather both returned home safe from the islands in WW2. My Dad's sister was also in the Army as a nurse in the AANS, but she served in Australia only.

[randomx]

On 25/04/2026 at 5:39 AM, Brendan said:

If anyone criticises the labour party you call it misinformation. 

You refuse to admit crime is out of control in Victoria. Because Daniel Andrews caused it 

Never mention the corruption labour have been involved in.

Billions handed to crime gangs and union officials.

Alboneses has been a communist party member since he was a teenager.

Andrews and Alan are too.

And banging on about one nation being  racist is crap. They only want what's best for Australians and that means slowing the current migration levels and bringing in more stringent entry standards. 

We all know we need immigration just not the way the clowns are doing it at the moment.

Hopefully this November some healing can start when Jacinta Andrews gets kicked out .

But our electoral system needs to change to stop preferences getting unwanted people elected.

I don't know anyone that voted labour yet albo got in by a landslide with prefences.

 

 

Yep, absolutely spot on.

These fools in atm are destroying Australia and the silly Vic twat is destroying Vic. 

l don't think we even need immigration not to any degree anyway a country we rebalance itself and find it's new normal if it's just provider for in a way that it bloody can and recover but everything these fools do is destroying any of that and that's the problem. lmo immagration and many other things need to be completely stopped for at least 5yrs at min. Give our country a chance to not only catch up, but to find itself again and it';s people.

And the crime, yeah, started a thread her told it was all just hunky doory but it isn't it's insane and any of the countries anywhere in the world with high immigration are all having the same problems, Melb is insane atm.

But then there's housing and prices, destroying business, manufacturing, our identity, what culture we did have, birthrates,training and trades, cost of living on and on and on but these fools are destroying it all.

lt's uneffgbelievable what's happening to our country and right under everyone's noses unopposed, mind blowing. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[facthunter]

Yeah and Murdoch's covered it all up to help them eh!  NOT B Likely!. Your facts there are VERY suspect and you wouldn't be a bit biased.? Of Course not. Your mob needs to get it's ACT together and THEN it Might be Worth voting for. Right now it's at risk of obliteration. Nev

[onetrack]

O.K. We stop immigration, who is going to do all the crap dirty jobs you expect to get done? We haven't got enough labour as it is. All the old tradies are retiring and dying off and no young "White Australians" want to take these jobs on - especially where those kids come from wealthy white families where oodles of money is freely available to them, without working for it.

 

You send all the Asians, Indians and Islanders home, who's going to drive your taxis and delivery trucks? Who's going to do your office and house cleaning? Who's going to build your new house?

We can't get enough truck drivers of any kind because wealthy white kids don't want to drive trucks for long hours and long distances, putting up with crap food and being away from family.

We can't get enough tradies to repair anything, such as house repairs, and mechanical repairs - because rich White Australians only want managerial jobs, and only like to play with electronic stuff.

 

I'm currently giving the fencing bloke across the road from my block in a little country town, a hand to do limestone block retaining walls, on a new caravan park the Shire is building.

He can't get any kind of labour to help him, so he comes to the old bloke across the road, to help him out. It's gut-busting work, out in the open, in all kinds of weather - while the young rich kids in town tear up the local reserves on their expensive trail motorbikes - because they don't have to work for anything, the Bank of Mum and Dad give them any toys they want, and they don't need to work!

 

SWMBO and I rebuilt our bathroom just over 2 years ago. The only tradies we could find to do it, were two Iranian blokes. They were good conscientous workers, careful with the tiling and accuracy in alignment, and their work was a credit to them. These blokes had fled from a murderous regime, same as lot of immigrants, and they still had family there. They didn't "hate Australia", they see Australia as a chance to live peacefully and make some money and progress in life.

 

I'd be pretty sure they suffer from "divided loyalties" and probably don't understand what the Anzac tradition is all about - same as if I went to live in a foreign country, and couldn't understand what they celebrated.

But I marched in an Anzac March yesterday, and saw about 25,000 people waving Aussie flags, cheering and clapping all the soldiers, sailors, airmen and airwomen, and emergency services people - and the number of "White Australians" I saw in the crowd was pretty low, probably less than a quarter. There were Asians galore, Indians galore, and all the colours of the rainbow in the crowd.

And they all obviously loved Australia, and what we are as a nation - otherwise they wouldn't have been there.

 

I'll also wager there was a huge number of "White Australians" who never bothered attending any Anzac celebration - because they don't give a rats rectum about the Anzacs or Australian traditions, they're only interested in themselves, and their rich hedonistic pursuits - such as flying. A lot of these people would have been whinging that nearly all the shops were shut, and they couldn't buy something they wanted.

 

Albo and his mob are struggling to do the best they can with the cards they've been handed by all the previous Govts - and that includes a lot of Liberal/NP decision-making that only ever benefited rich people and giant global corporations.

If previous Liberal and NP Govts had done the right thing as regards Govt decision-making for the countrys long term benefit, we wouldn't be facing the problems we have today - and the Liberal Party and National Party wouldn't have disappeared up their fundamental orifices, to the point where they have virtually ceased to exist as parties and as a useful Opposition - simply because they failed to look after the people who originally voted for them.

 

One Nation is an erratic flash in the pan with a track record of achieving very little, except pulling stunts that are designed to be divisive and make people feel unwanted - because they aren't Anglo-Saxon, white skinned, blue-eyed, and jingoistic.

I've got some news for the jingoistic types. Australia became a multi-cultural country many decades ago, and Anglo-Saxons and White Europeans only make up a very small percentage of the worlds population (around 9%, according to the figures I get handed) - and that percentage continues to decrease as this largely rich cohort continue to reduce their reproduction rate.

 

In the future, the majority of your doctors, scientists, engineers, tradespeople, and many of your leaders will be from some country you consider has an inferior culture. You'd better get used to it.

Voting for One Nation will do nothing to reverse this trend and the Fish and Chip Shop Lady has no answers to the "immigration problem" either - except creating a vastly more divided and hateful Australia.

[Marty_d]

Bloody well said.

[Marty_d]

Not to mention nursing home staff.

My 93yo mother is looked after by Nepalese, Thai, Indian, African,Sri Lankan and Malaysian Australian staff. Barely a white face among them.

She knows all their names and asks after their kids, and you can see the gentleness and respect they show her. 

There are certainly the job opportunities in that industry if "traditional" Aussies want them, but they don't.