Is our 2 party system just a con?

[facthunter]

Bullshit. It's Her MONEY used to get the Laws SHE want's and she cares Nowt about anyone else or the climate. I don't want BILLIONAIRES running the show. Do You.?. That's real CRAP reply Siso. Nev

[Marty_d]

Billionaires shouldn't exist.

There's no reason for anyone to have more money than they could possibly spend in a lifetime.

[onetrack]

Gina and her old man are/were just greed merchants of the highest order. Lang Hancock was a money-grubbing grub who used smart lawyer/accountants to initially write up an iron ore royalty agreement whereby he got 2.5% of all monies earned from a number of iron ore leases that he'd pegged - in perpetuity.

 

The second thing he did was set up a major trust to avoid paying any tax on that massive amount of money. So Rio Tinto pays this family multiple tens of millions each year for no effort whatsoever on their part, and they pay zero tax on it - until the Hancock Trust is dismantled. 

 

That's why Gina spent hundreds of millions on lawyers and court cases to stop her children from dismantling the Handcock Trust. She succeeded. She paid her children a few tens of millions to keep them from grabbing more of the billions in the Trust.

 

Gina married an American tax evasion expert, one Frank Rinehart, who narrowly avoided going to jail for tax fraud.

He wound up with a suspended jail sentence. He was a crook who taught Gina all about tax evasion and how to manipulate laws to keep winning unfair gains.

Frank Rinehart was a total fraud, he lived a double life with another woman while he was married to Gina. 

 

Gina believes she's the only one entitled to W.A.'s iron ore wealth, as her family pegged the first iron ore leases - and that everyone in Australia should genuflect to the Hancock dynasty and thank them eternally for the huge efforts the Hancocks have made to build up Australia. The truth is, they're nothing more than 20th and 21st century robber barons.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-man-who-came-between-gina-and-her-father-20120622-20tll.html

[Siso]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

Bullshit. It's Her MONEY used to get the Laws SHE want's and she cares Nowt about anyone else or the climate. I don't want BILLIONAIRES running the show. Do You.?. That's real CRAP reply Siso. Nev

And who lets her do that. If it upsets you, talk to your government representatives. Sound like a lot have people think the current government is good, partition them for change. A lot of people talk about people they don't like how sky news talk about people they don't like. She is not in jail or been arrested so she has done nothing wrong. Some of her stuff may not be real ethical but you could say that about 1000s of business people. I don't think the current and past goverments (both sides) will do anything wrong because they want to t future prospects.

[facthunter]

Do You want her running the show using her Outrageous wealth to bend the Country to Her Wishes. so she can become  EVEN More Wealthy? She's promoting Hanson and has Power over her and got her to Mar a Lago to meet Trump.  If Trump Goes, How does Hanson look because she seeks to be Like him.  and the Way He does things. THAT should make a lot of people anxious. (if they thought about  it). How come Murdoch is so  FOR her?  It's  almost as if he was being Paid to do it.. Is HE looking for FAVOURS ALSO?  I'd put money on it and I don't bet. Nev

[Siso]

Bag Hanson, don't bag someone who is not breaking the law, employing Australians, supporting sporting and other associations. Bag the current set of politicians for letting it happen. again Murdoch is a businessman and obviously a very good one. As long as they don't break Australian laws so be it. The only ones that can change this is our Politicians If you think Albo is doing such a good job, contact him and get him to change it. Good luck!

[facthunter]

You don't care about Lies and excess influence? Well I DO. . Rudd tried  with a Petition and Merdey has never let up on him since... Merdoch has destroyed a lot of good People's Lives and reputations. Why should a Foreigner have such a monopoly of Media Influence?  That is NOT Proper democracy by any measure. Bob Hawke was completely under Ruperts Influence. IF Rupert supports something, the Opposite is where you should Be.  Is THAT the truth OR did you read it in a Murdoch Paper? If a Labor person is supported by Rupey He would be SUSS. Nev

[willedoo]

So how does Gina get rich. How much does government regulation and tax laws contribute to her ability to accumulate wealth. If it's a factor, she's become rich under both Labor and Coalition governments. At the moment she's getting rich under the watchful eye of the precious can do no wrong Labor government. If you have a complaint about her wealth, take it up with them. Whingeing about it here just makes you look foolish. Do something about it. Contact your federal member and take it from there. No amount of social media babble will reduce her wealth and power. Only governments can do that.

Edited yesterday at 05:36 AM by willedoo

[old man emu]

Two people we'd like to hear about on "Well known personalities .....", Rupert Murdoch and Donald Trump.

[Siso]

Blame the pollys, not the people that take advantage of it. Of course I care about people getting rich through lying.. Talking to our local politician about the huge renewable hydrogen con SA has lost millions of dollars on.

[Marty_d]

14 hours ago, Siso said:

Blame the pollys, not the people that take advantage of it. Of course I care about people getting rich through lying.. Talking to our local politician about the huge renewable hydrogen con SA has lost millions of dollars on.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2026/03/20/Australian-Mining-Billionaire-Sues-Canada/

 

Sure mate.

 

Have a read of that.

 

Support this horrible woman all you want but don't be blind to what type of person she is.

 

When you get to a certain level of wealth you have the ability to distort democracy. 

 

From the article - " subsequent rulings by the Court of Appeal, Court of King’s Bench and Supreme Court of Canada repeatedly found that Northback had no legal case."

 

So Gina's company pushed their vexatious claim through every level of Canada's legal system and were knocked back each time.

 

Then they went for the last refuge of the mega rich multinational, Investor State Dispute Settlement (ISDS).  If you don't know what that is, research it. Phillip Morris and Clive Palmer have attempted ISDS cases against Australia and thankfully were unsuccessful.

Before you say "go petition your politician", a few years ago I did exactly that, sending emails to every lower house member pleading that Australia not be a part of ISDS. 

I believe that we now do not include ISDS provisions in any trade agreements.

 

But that hasn't stopped Gina from trying to steal $7b from Canadian taxpayers for a project she spent $220m on.

 

Still a Gina fanboi?

[willedoo]

28 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Before you say "go petition your politician", a few years ago I did exactly that, sending emails to every lower house member pleading that Australia not be a part of ISDS. 

Marty, hopefully some of them got to read the emails. It makes you wonder how many are binned by staff members. I'm not sure if this is accurate or even true, but I was told a few years ago that if you write to a minister directly they are under no obligation to answer, but if you do it via your local member forwarding it on, then the minister is obligated to provide a reply. 

[facthunter]

I  sent an Email to Scott Morrison. when he was a Federal minister and got the reply that "He only responded to his constituents". How's that for BS?  I communicate with Quite a lot of Pollies and always have. Face to face. On the Phone and by Email. Nev..

[Siso]

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

https://thetyee.ca/News/2026/03/20/Australian-Mining-Billionaire-Sues-Canada/

 

Sure mate.

 

Have a read of that.

 

Support this horrible woman all you want but don't be blind to what type of person she is.

 

When you get to a certain level of wealth you have the ability to distort democracy. 

 

From the article - " subsequent rulings by the Court of Appeal, Court of King’s Bench and Supreme Court of Canada repeatedly found that Northback had no legal case."

 

So Gina's company pushed their vexatious claim through every level of Canada's legal system and were knocked back each time.

 

Then they went for the last refuge of the mega rich multinational, Investor State Dispute Settlement (ISDS).  If you don't know what that is, research it. Phillip Morris and Clive Palmer have attempted ISDS cases against Australia and thankfully were unsuccessful.

Before you say "go petition your politician", a few years ago I did exactly that, sending emails to every lower house member pleading that Australia not be a part of ISDS. 

I believe that we now do not include ISDS provisions in any trade agreements.

 

But that hasn't stopped Gina from trying to steal $7b from Canadian taxpayers for a project she spent $220m on.

 

Still a Gina fanboi?

Has she done anything illegal. She still employs 1000s of Australians. like I said there is 1000s if not 1000000s of business people whos morals may be questionable but if they are breaking no laws good on them. It is up to governments to fix this sort of thing. Happen in motor racing all the time. The racers push the boundys and if the governing bodies dont like it the change the rules. pretty basic really. 

[facthunter]

They don't all Have 37 Billion to buy their way into everything. She will replace them with robots without batting an eye lid. ALL she cares about is Making more Money for Herself. No one want's that kind of thing to be Happening within their Government. It's NOT good for the Country. Gina's on record saying Paying a fine is ok for ALL crimes and Workers are worth 2 Dollars a day. She's No Angel. Nev