It keeps getting worse

[Jerry_Atrick]

I thought Spotlight was a haberdashery chain.. I guess there is a show there as well.

 

I know some people here feel aggrieved with the justice system, and it may well be justified (pardon the pun).  

 

But a "couple" of things:

• There are many components to the "justice" system. @red750 - what you are mainly complaining about is the policing - and it is probably without the full pictue. For example, Why is only 15 of the 350 Australian contacts only being followed up. Is it manpower? Have many moved to another country? Have any since died? Have any already been nabbed and brought to justice? A cavlier statement that only 15 of the 350 on the phone are being actively followed up is pretty meaningless without any context?
• In criminal law, the well established jurisprudence is that a person is innocent until found guilty in a court of law. Your statement he was arreested, charged, and released on a suspended sentence does not make sense. A suspended sentence would imply he has already gone to court and been convicted, and the sentence was suspended. But this was not at least echoed in your text. Assuming it is the report of Spotlight, that would seem very inaccurate. It may be that he has been released on parole.. But, if he has been convicted, he would be added to the NSW Child Protection Register, where a whole lot of protections lick in (I would have to do the research). I think it makes it untenable for the assailant to live in his original area, but would have to double check. If he is on parole, this would have been subject to an application to a magistrate at a local court. If the police or the DPP think the accused is a danger, they will present their case, and the defence will obviously present theirs. The magistrate, if satisfied that defendant is a danger will remand the defendant into custody awaiting tial. 
• The criminal law is designed to make it harder for the prosecution than the defence. This is to ensure there are inbuilt protections from state overreach and infringment on rights. While in this case, it is hard to see where that is justified, while there are still grave miscarriages of justice (wasn't there one recently), as a whole, it is considered more desirable than not. 
• Most of the justice is dispended in the court - not the police. As this is an indictable offence, it woulf have most likely gone to the district court of NSW; If it is serious enough and it was in the public interest/required declaration of law that was ambiguous and important enough, it may have gone straight to the Supreme court. If there was enough publicity that it would risk a fair trial based on likelihood of most potential jurors being tainted by publicity, then it owuld have neen heard by judges - otherwise a jury - 12 ordinary citzens - would hear the case. I would suggest that this case would have got quite some publicity across Australia, given the nature of the media.
• One of the facets of our legal system is it is adversarial - and the outcome can hinge just as much on the competency and skill/panache of the representatives as the law themselves. So, yes, this can produce some perverse results, but that is what appeals are for. Of course, the law is expensive and not really within the remit of the average person, to be honest. 

 

Everyone in the justice/judiciary system make mistakes. But, generally, at least with regards to criminal conduct, it is largely a lot better than it has been. I am not sure if this is the right video as I haven't watched it, but there is a short with Neil Degrasse Tyson where the studies show every year that people feel more insecure, more scared and more worried about being victims of crime, despite crime being a falling trend for decades. This is because the MSM (and SM) go more and more for the outrage to get viewers. Apparently, it is wired in our brain to be more converned about potential threats than nlife being great.

 

[old man emu]

10 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Your statement he was arreested, charged, and released on a suspended sentence does not make sense. A suspended sentence would imply he has already gone to court and been convicted, and the sentence was suspended.

That is obviously a journalist's mistake. I have no doubt that the person was released from custody on bail to appear in Court at a later date for the matter to be dealt with to see if the evidence would lead to a conviction. If the alleged offence was proved on the evidence, then a sentence would be imposed, and I don't think that, in matters such as these, such a sentence would be suspended.

[red750]

You can watch the program on 7plus.com.au and make up your own mind, The disgusting creep should be locked up, not roaming the street near young kiddies.

[old man emu]

2 minutes ago, red750 said:

You can watch the program on 7plus.com.au and make up your own mind, The disgusting creep should be locked up, not roaming the street near young kiddies.

Red,

My post above was simply to correct what seems to have been a journalist's mistake, in saying that the preson had received a suspended sentence. Obviously the journalist has no knowledge of the initial stages of a prosecution after charging, and the laws by which a prosecution is carried out. One can readly imagine that the conditions of the bail would be such as to minimise the risk of further offending pending the completion of the prosecution process. The alleged offender might be considered to be a "disgusting crrep", but until convicted, the alleged offender is still considered innocent of the allegation under our system. 

 

The main reasons for refusing bail and requiring an alleged offender to remain in custody are the protection of the community - usually physical protection; prevention of further offending - drug dealers, and risk of flight. The first might not apply in this case, and no doubt the person's activities wuld be closely monitored. The third might no be considered applicable.

[spacesailor]

Australia has a two tier justice system. 

If your rich or higher class a person you get  ' favourable ' treatment front both the police & the court .

It happens all the time . Drunk driving,  gets a smaller fine ,plus a small suspension of licence. 

As seen on TV,

A lower class worker will loose their licence,  then their job . ( no transport ). 

Probably end up on the streets homeless. 

I personally know of two male drivers who ended up homeless  due to loosing their driving licence. Only one was ,' alcohol  ' related, the other fell asleep after  double shift ! .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

RICH Buys you the BEST Lawyers AND maybe the Best Judge if you really have the contracts. Most of the "REST of the WORLD" would be the SAME. IF you want to Know what's really going on "Follow the MONEY TRAIL" . Corruption exist where and when it CAN.  Nev

[red750]

Jacinta Allen has obtained money from China for the Suburban Rail Loop, and is pushing for more money for another rail loop.

 

Yes, public transport infrastructure is important, but selling our sovereignty to a possible enemy is not the way to go about it.

[facthunter]

WE export a LOT to them and buy a lot from them  Do you want THAT stopped?  Trump would. Nev

[nomadpete]

When large amounts of money change hands, there are always strings attached.

 

If China (or anyone else) hand over a big wad of cash, I expect there will be expectations of something to make it worthwhile for them to do so.

 

Our exports to their country are not part of that deal.

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by nomadpete
Added; The Art of the Deal

[facthunter]

Would you Prefer BLACKROCK OR a "DEAL" with TRUSTY TRUMP? Nev

[nomadpete]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

Would you Prefer BLACKROCK OR a "DEAL" with TRUSTY TRUMP? Nev

None of the above are needed

[onetrack]

Jacinta should tell Gina or Clive there's gold under Melbourne, where the tunnels are planned to run, and give the mining rights to them for the ground, and the tunnels will be dug for free!

[Marty_d]

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

Jacinta should tell Gina or Clive there's gold under Melbourne, where the tunnels are planned to run, and give the mining rights to them for the ground, and the tunnels will be dug for free!

Nah, those pricks would collapse half of the CBD, poison Port Phillip and then charge the taxpayer to clean up their mess.

[Jerry_Atrick]

11 hours ago, facthunter said:

WE export a LOT to them and buy a lot from them  Do you want THAT stopped?  Trump would. Nev

What.. Are you saying we should sell ourselves out to get some investment we could probably get from...

11 hours ago, facthunter said:

Would you Prefer BLACKROCK O

Well, yes,.. because all they want is a return on income, and despite everyone saying they own the world, it is their unit holders - which could be anyone with a pension/superanniuation - that does.

 

I can't recall Blackrock execs lapping up to Chumpy or want to take over the world..

 

 

[facthunter]

Blackrock excels in unethical and climate damaging  action and is very litigious.

 

 No I am NOT saying  any such Thing....Trump will order us to Put tariffs on China.    Nev

[Siso]

While we can carry on about Gina, we need to remember she employs a lot of Australians and pay them very well for the most part. These companies they run are competing on the world stage with companies that don't have the stringent environmental and workplace laws. She as far as I know working within the law, so if you have any problems with them, contact your local politician to have the laws change. We should be supporting successful Australians, not trying to take them down. Owing to the energy debacle we are not really going to have much else happening in Australia for a while. I see BHP is looking at opening a copper in the US. We should be doing more here to keep the jobs in Australia. I don't work in mining. Don't really know about Clive.

[facthunter]

You wouldn't have a vested interest then would you? We do need Mines To get Minerals but we can't just keep Burning coal for energy as the consequence is so Dire. It will also get More expensive as it's harder to recover and less accessible and poorer quality. NEW Coal Power Plants are Not a cheap source of Power either and can't be cranked UP and DOWN easily and can fail at short Notice, Coal is Only cheap Power now Because the Capital Cost of the Old Powerplants Has Been Amortised. They are at the End of their working life and also obsolete and very Unreliable and Polluting(ASH). Nev

[Siso]

No one is saying we should keep burning coal. There are other alternatives, just need some people to get out of cold war thinking and get on with it. I like to think that the reactors we are using know are like aircraft were in the 1930's. Considering it is less then 70 years since the first commercial reactor came online, development and research pretty well stopped fpr several years and there was no world wars to accelerate more development. Imagine what we could have if we had put as much developement into NP as we did for aircraft.

No vested interests. I worked in the wind industry for over 10 years and could see how good it was at the start when it was just supplementing the current grid at about 30%and how it was making prices more volatile and the amount extra infrastructure that is needed as penetration increased.. We are putting all our eggs in one basket on a plan that has never been done before. The current governments plan as I understand it is to have 82% renewable energy by 2030. We have about 40% Australia wide at the moment, so we have 5 years to to double it. The first 30 was the easy part, now we have to build more generation plus the extras that we haven't really needed previously. (Batterys, syncons, transmission etc.) Some of the first MW size turbines are also starting to approach end of life as well so we will have to start replacing as well as building new.

[facthunter]

The Later ones are better and Bigger. What about Batteries? Near instant response, both ways. Gotta be a Place for those things. Nuclear is still very expensive. More applicable to  "other" places. WE are Ideal for solar, surely and we haven't really tried all Options for it. Nev