What has Trump done now?

[nomadpete]

Meanwhile, at the site of Kushner's mediterannean island elite mega resort, bulldozers have appeared and are reportedly clearing land. Nobody seems to know who owns them and no plans are known. 

[old man emu]

It used to be that Americans held their President in the highest regard and showed the greatest of respect. Trump has caused those things to be abandoned. He's attending a basketball Grand Final in New York, and instead of being cheered by one and all, he is being booed unanamously. We all love sport  grand finals. By deciding to attend this one, Trump has prevented thousands of fans from enjoying the experience. The comom fan has been barred from going near the venue, or to participate in the parties that are part and parcel of the event. It's probably made worse by the fact that the New York team hasn't been in these finals for years. A lot of us know what it feels like when your underdog team finally makes it to the top. 

 

To paraphrase England's King Henry II, "Who will rid us of this turbulent pest?"

[Jerry_Atrick]

Warning - Big post incoming

 

On 03/06/2026 at 8:59 AM, facthunter said:

How is it transparent when People are "cowed" into keeping silent? Legal firms are put out of business, if they take him on. (challenge Him). Nev

At least he doesn't hide this. He is quite brazen about it.. It is neither a good thing that he does it nor thaty he is brazen about it. But it is there for the electorate to see it. 

 

Let's compare to Australia. Australia: APS employees have to sign an NDA and are under threat of losing their jobs or as we have seen, jail foe whistleblowing (as evidenced).. Everything is hushed up rather than at least made public what is happening, and often who is the beneficiary. I don't recall Dutton yelling from the rooftops giving some dodgy one man operation in Kangaroo Island a massive contract to do not much; in fact he was desperately trying to hide it. The Robodebt royal commission - think about it.. the sealed section of a public enquiry - where all the evidence was heard in public - to not subjudice potential criminal investigations against prominent politicians. How long since? What criminal prosecutions have been made? The NACC made secretive by default at a time where the Labor Party prior getting into government made strong promises of it being public? IBAC in Victoria, where an ex anti corruption commissioner was quoted in The Age a couple of days ago calling it to be made public, ironically, in the same way as the NSW ICAC. 

 

Oh, and I don't hear Albo coming out about how great those fossil fuel industry reps are paying multiple tens of thousands to the Labor party for the privilege of paying multiple thousands per head to anaonyous lunches with ministers and guess what - fracking has been approved in the Kimberly's - one of the last pristine water courses in the world. Or the Beetalooo basion contact, the Adani project, etc. We could go on.. and that is just the Labor party - the one the Juice media labels the less ship party.. Think about the crap the previopus lot was involved with, and you start to get the picture.  What was meant by my American friends is you get to see it for all its glory/gory, and you can make your decision.  

 

 

On 03/06/2026 at 12:25 PM, Marty_d said:

Obama and Biden weren't openly and transparently corrupt.

They didn't put morons in charge of the armed forces, the FBI, the education system, the health system, etc.

They didn't do everything they could to wreck the world's longest lived modern democracy for personal gain and to satisfy a bloated ego.

They didn't do everything they could to stop the fight against climate change.

They didn't rip up international agreements like the Iran deal just because they had a petty dislike of the previous president.

They didn't shut down news organisations and use stand over tactics like thugs when facts were aired that they didn't like.

But hey, if all that means absolutely nothing to your friends, I guess they have the president they deserve.

One the first - I think you answered it. Chump is transparently corrupt. You get what you see... The electorate can then make a decision if the "benefits" he provides is worth the corruption and misconduct he commits (allegedly ;-)). We don't see what we get, but we get it and the consequences, anyway. That is the only bit about transparency. On the rest, my above bit should have addressed the climate change/environment bit. Yep - Chump takes it to the next level, but our pollies of all flavours would seem to sell out to the extent our electorate will put up with it just enough for them to make whatever it is they want and move on. BTW, check out the carnage to (I think ti was - but will have to look up later) Darling Down river system to keep the cotton growers happy.. 

 

Chump brazenly and transparently puts morons to do his bidding in charge of departments. Are you telling me the precious Libs didn't put morons in charge? And that Labor's front bench are sans morons? Even people with experience in their portfolio can be morons and we spend a lot of time criticising non Chump leaders for doing moronic things. 

 

Governments all the time will deploy as many tricks as possible to circumvent democracy to pushing their agenda. Chump doesn't hide it and has used the US constitutional flaws to full advantage while the democrats have been asleep at the wheel to protect the constitution - and some bad thing as well. But the point is, people can see it and judge for themselves. When pollies try hiding things, it leaves a much more bitter taste in ones mouth. 

 

I agree that there was Obama envy that crept into a lot of decisions. But I am not sure that the Iran agreement was really contributing to long term world wide peace. The Paris Agreements?  All 198 countries have signed up to it except three - Iran, Libya, and Yemen. US has subsequently withdrawn. All remaining countries have technically implemented at least one law related to the Paris agreement. There is not a lot of consensus on how many are actually meeting all or a material component of the accords, but according to the Climate Action tracker, fewer than a dozen (less than 10%) have laws that are fully compatible with the Paris Agreement. So, Chumpo leads the world, but he is not alone in not meeting or ignoring international agreements (BTW, Australia has basically ignored its requirements under the Refugee Conventions for a very long time).

 

If you don't think Australian governments haven't shut out media organisations, think again. It is more difficult now because of the reach of two in particular in Australia, but Jeff Kennett was one that comes straight to mind when he was the premier in Vic, threatening to limit media access. Australian governments for years have used more subtle measures - such as first access (i.e. leaks) to manipulate the press. 

 

And it doesn't mean absolutely nothing to my friends.. But what they dislike is a government that hides the ship it does, and as you can see, it is not like other governments are doing them a favour. 

 

 

On 03/06/2026 at 12:50 PM, rgmwa said:

I think it's already too late. Most of the damage is now baked into the system and the worlds psyche, and it will only get worse before Trump and his enablers get thrown out. 

 

Well, they're getting royally shafted now. 

 

There is transparency alright. The incompetence and corruption is out in the open for all to see and on a scale they will probably never see again. If they feel that's a win, then they can well admit that it's a sad state of affairs.

 

It is a sad state of affairs. Remember, in the polls the electorate didn't like either of the main candidates. The democrats didn't do themselves a favour by keeping Biden on, who, I am sad to admit, was beyond his use by date. No one I speak to says Chump is a win; they just see it as no bigger loss in their lives. 

 

 

On 03/06/2026 at 4:54 PM, pmccarthy said:

A friend just came back from the USA, says that ordinary people are just getting on with their lives and seem unaffected by it all.

Agreed.. to say the US people aren't thinking when they pass judgement I find a little conceited, to be honest. These people live there and have to make do. I never said they thought he was good. but for them, in their situation, it is no worse than others before (of both colours), and they can see what they get.  It's so brazen, it is not hidden. Again, it doesn't mean they are saying it is good. 

 

On 03/06/2026 at 10:15 PM, nomadpete said:

Totally agree.

The USofA will no longer be a land of opportunity for the people. But fine for the top few. They are already firmly on the road to international isolationism. The rest of the world is already getting along better without them. 

Long term damage has already be done.

Just think of the outrage that will rise if Republicans and DJT get thrown out.

Besides, there seems to be nobody else electable.

The USA practically stopped being the land of opportunity for most many years ago. There has been a progressive squeeze on the middle class for longer which has left little extra capacity to get ahead. Most of your tech bros and billionaires are not from middle class families, regardless of what their PR says. For small business, it is still probably the same as when I used to live there. Take big risks, hope it pays off. In fact, AI will probably make it a bit easier in some ways. But, yes, I agree with this. That doesn't mean he is not transparent. It means he has probably accelerated USA's decline.. But here's something to think about. I was paying network engineers $120K in San Francisco in 1999; today, in the same place they earn about the same. The obvious result is lower standard of living progressively, while in government a lot of the representatives of the lobbyists have had a field day. People feel betrayed, and they are voting accordingly. Until pollies get that through their thick skulls, Hansons of this world will benefit. 

 

On 04/06/2026 at 1:19 AM, rgmwa said:

I’m sure that’s true. It’s the same here. Most people live their lives day to day without necessarily paying much attention to politics or the state of the world in general. However, the fact is that everyone is affected by the economy, the judicial and health systems, global supply chain disruptions, taxes, and the quality of the nation’s leadership. It’s the ordinary people who suffer the most when those systems don’t work for them and there’s a lot of that going on in the US these days. The wealthy are doing fine. Trump’s manipulated stock portfolio is looking pretty healthy, he can afford his increasingly frequent medical checkups, enjoy his special tax relief status and not worry about the cost of jet fuel for his weekly golf outings. Most Americans are just trying to make ends meet and get through another day. 

Many of these systems in better countries are seen by the population as failing them (the law is an ass, ambo ramping, etc). Wars are waged all the time.. Chump isn't the first to do a stupid war and won't be the last. People are sick of suffering by themselves and want the pollies to suffer as well. It may be worse for them under a Hanson, Farage, and indeed, Chump.. But they are now beyond caring. 

 

 

On 04/06/2026 at 1:26 AM, onetrack said:

It's interesting that Trump and the MAGA mob have just lost an important gubnertorial election in Iowa to a Democrat by the name of Zach Lahn.

 

Lahn defeated the Republican incumbent, Trump-backed Randy Feenstra. Despite Iowa being a big support zone for Trump, with the State being a huge farming State - Lahn won on multiple angles associated with health issues that the State is grappling with.

 

Des Moines water is so polluted with nitrate run-off into water aquifers, they have had to install special filtration equipment. Cancer rates are skyrocketing in Iowa, and a lot of Iowan people (including farmers) believe high levels of pesticide and herbicide use is to blame for both problems.

 

Trump is trying to ensure Monsanto can't be sued, and has watered down EPA laws and controls. The Iowans see it differently, they want Monsanto held to account, and EPA laws and regulations kept in place.

Lahn campaigned on the MAHA ticket - Make America Healthy Again, a vocal group who claim that Americans suffer from an epidemic of chronic illnesses, driven by ultra-processed foods, environmental toxins, over-medicalisation, and corporate corruption within the pharmaceutical and agricultural industries. MAHA is championed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

 

Lahn also campaigned on reducing major corporate ownership and control of farmland. This is an interesting turn of events, a Red State turning against Trumps corporate-loving policies.

One of the inadvertent/unintentional consequences of el Chumpo's narcissism is that it is all there for the electorate to see. They can make their mind up relatively easily// Or they may be saying to the adults in the room, we're happy to vote you back in, but this time, listen to us and act on it, or we will do it again. 

 

On 06/06/2026 at 5:30 AM, nomadpete said:

Modern day investment strategy - better returns than the stock market?

 

As reported by "The New Republic":

 

"

It was always pretty naive to think the ultrarich individuals donating to Donald Trump’s $400 million ballroom project were doing so out of the goodness of their hearts.

A new report from the nonprofit government watchdog Public Citizen has calculated that 14 ballroom donors have raked in more than $50 billion combined in government contracts over the last six months. For reference, that’s more than the GDP of countries such as Iceland and Senegal."

 

https://newrepublic.com/post/211423/donald-trump-ballroom-donors-government-contracts

This is no different to a lot of the donations made to political parties in Australia - only the scale (for the record, Australian parties seem to accept less before it looks like a conflict of interest action takes place).

 

On 03/06/2026 at 10:19 PM, nomadpete said:

Marty, we can only see limited and biased news, and from our distance it cannot reflect how the inhabitants see things.

JerryA just gave you a little insight of how some USAnians see things.

That is my point. We see it differently to the locals. That does not mean they are not thinking about it.. Remember, the UK has gone Farage, Denmark has gone very right - Denmark! Germany has. USA always has been. And now Hanson is making a breakthrough. We all see things differently. My friends in the US

 

I haven't caught up with later posts (it took a couple of days to get this done, I am that busy at the moment). But I really wish people would look in their own backyard as well.. There's also a lot to fix there. 

[facthunter]

I think many of us KNOW what's going on in our Backyard  better than you give us credit for. As a person living here I wouldn't claim intricate knowledge about what is going on in the UK WE get a Fair Bit about the USA. Half the People in the USA wouldn't know where Australia is. When I was in France for a bit over 2 Months I got Practically No News about  Australia. Its Out of sight Out of Mind. .  Nev

[Marty_d]

Jerry, you're spending a lot of time defending the indefensible.

Saying that it's better to have a massive amount of corrupt behaviour because it's transparently visible rather than a small amount of hidden corruption (which usually comes out anyway) doesn't seem logical to me.

[rgmwa]

It's better that Trump's corruption is out in the open for everyone to see, but only if it means they wake up to what's going on and get rid of him instead of just accepting it and letting him carry on. I don't think he's going to make another two and a half years anyway, given the shape he's in mentally and physically.

 

[nomadpete]

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Jerry, you're spending a lot of time defending the indefensible.

Saying that it's better to have a massive amount of corrupt behaviour because it's transparently visible rather than a small amount of hidden corruption

I didn't think that JerryA said 'its better'.

 

3 hours ago, rgmwa said:

It's better that Trump's corruption is out in the open for everyone to see, but only if it means they wake up to what's going on and get rid of him instead of just accepting it and letting him carry on.

Sure. But not just USofA. It's a first step toward starting to address the sorry state of affairs in all our various democracies. All the world should be cleaning up their (our) own back yatd.

 

More importantly for us, along with rising the ire of the voters, it brings the whole issue of corruption into the public awareness.

 

Politicians must be aware of the groundswell of discontent. The polls have been showing it for years. We are tired of turning a blind eye to corruption whilst hoping for crumbs of integrity.

 

It should be seen by the political parties as a big warning that the voters want a better deal - one where the wellbeing of the public is served better than the corrupting moneyed minorities (such as tax avoiding business entities)

[facthunter]

Trump is so full of Himself He doesn't care how corrupt he Looks as long as HE and family Make Heaps of dough. Nev

[Kyle Communications]

I think Trump would be happy with this little gem from the IPCC...but of course the MSM are keeping it quiet

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

21 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Jerry, you're spending a lot of time defending the indefensible.

Saying that it's better to have a massive amount of corrupt behaviour because it's transparently visible rather than a small amount of hidden corruption (which usually comes out anyway) doesn't seem logical to me.

Hmm.. 

22 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

At least he doesn't hide this. He is quite brazen about it.. It is neither a good thing that he does it nor thaty he is brazen about it. But it is there for the electorate to see it. 

(Added bold)

 

How am I defending it, exactly? I am putting other points of view as I see them.  Regardless of how bad Chump is, there are others doing it under a pretence they are working for the people. I merely gave examples. But I think people are getting sick of being taken advantage of.. Have they got it worse under Chump? Yes, of course. But do they care? I would argue for an increasing number, no, because they probably feel that they are already at the stage that they can only get their head above water for the odd gasp of air, so they don't care if it gets worse. It isn't only economic; it is cultural as well - perceived or real - that they are being left behind socially as well. More and more middle classes have less and less... is the feeling. In my case (of course, UK), my heating bill has quadrupled in 6 years... quadrupled. What about Australia's gas scam, where the Australia institute report that the Japanese government make more from Aussie gas than the Australian government - money that could be used for better education, health, lower energy costs, and the like. Yet, what does Albo (and the libs before) do about it? Nothing while the industry lobby pays a good whack of money to party coffers for the odd lunch.

 

Chump campaigned on doing much of what he has done. People knew, or ought to have known most of what was coming. We all did. His Doge, his tariffs, his cosying to Putin in deference to Ukraine, etc.. ICE and undocumented immigrant deportations; the wall, ignoring the constitution; They were openly committed to during the election campaign, despite him distancing himself from project 2025 at the end of the election but never what he was going to do.  On the other hand, I recall in these fora a disagreement about the utility of secrecy of the NACC, and it wasn't long before the conduct of the NACC proved my position - that Labor should have enacted - as they enthusiastically promised prior to the election - public hearings and a transparent NACC. When they got into power, what happened? Secret hearings. It may be small in the scheme of things, but a) it is not isolated; and b) it is seen as them protecting their mates from misconduct. That leaves a foul taste as does all other coverups and stealth operation, especially if you voted for them in good faith of keeping what should be fairly simple election promises. 

 

People are now sick of it... Chump is a product of that - a protest vote - people probably knew they were not going to be better off; for many they are not worse off or if they are, it makes no material difference. So, may as well stick it to the establishment. Do you think Farage, or Hanson, or the other European ultra right would start becoming successful if they weren't/ We often forget there is a silent majority, and now they are starting to no longer remain silent. Their motivation may be valid if the actions aren't. 

22 hours ago, facthunter said:

I think many of us KNOW what's going on in our Backyard  better than you give us credit for. As a person living here I wouldn't claim intricate knowledge about what is going on in the UK WE get a Fair Bit about the USA. Half the People in the USA wouldn't know where Australia is. When I was in France for a bit over 2 Months I got Practically No News about  Australia. Its Out of sight Out of Mind. .  Nev

If you are not as angry about what your government is doing as you are about Chump, I would argue a) you don't really know what is going on in your back yard; b) you don't care; or c) your dislike is so profound of Chump (for which there is nothing wrong with such a dislike - mine is very profound), that you're not taking that big an interest in your backyard. 

 

I agree, other countries don't proactively air much Aussie news in the MSM; but today, it is very easy to find reliable news and facts today in any country that doesn't black out its internet. 

[octave]

24 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

But do they care? I would argue for an increasing number, no, because they probably feel that they are already at the stage that they can only get their head above water for the odd gasp of air, so they don't care if it gets worse.

I know polling has its limitations, but the polling suggests people are increasingly dissatisfied with DJT.   https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

 

Whilst it is easy to say that all politicians are bad, DJT takes it to an extreme level. Sure, he will probably be gone in a couple of years, but the ongoing damage will take years to fix. The problem is the creeping acceptance of deviance.  

 

As a rational person, I look at some of his appointments, and I can't believe it. The health of the nation is in the hands of crazy RFK. An advanced nation is being led away from rationality.   Yes, of course, I am not an American citizen, and it is up to them; however, what a powerful country like the US does has an effect on the whole world.   

 

I, too, have a couple of US friends, and they do despair at where the country is going.  It is easy to judge what people are thinking from their own individual silos.   

 

The polling could be getting it wrong, of course, but we shall see what happens in the midterms.   DJT is already trying to say that the elections in California must be rigged (because he doesn't like the result). Is this how elections are going to be lost or won in the future?

[willedoo]

Thanks octave, and yes, you are a rational person. Your views are always balanced and thoughtful and appreciated. No TDS, just rationl analysis.

[willedoo]

That last sentence should read rational. not rationl. That sticky 'a' key has been bugging me for a while now.

[Marty_d]

You do know that "TDS" is not real, don't you?

I don't recall hearing about "Hitler Derangement Syndrome" in the last century.

[Kyle Communications]

Yes but in the late 1930' s there were no mobile phones no idiotic education systems poisioning young minds and uni students producing dumber and stupider people whose life revolves around their devices and only ever watch some idiot on Bookface who frys ants with a magnifying glass who then professes their great knowlegde of politics or how people should live their lives.

There used to be sensible critical thinking and stable mindfull people.They used to teach critical thinking...they used to teach history...correct history not "modified" history, not to mention maths and english and comprehension...long gone are those days we are breeding a generation of dumb arses due to this woke wank of not being real and looking at actual facts or what was past and what is present. Apparently the podcaster down the road is the source of their wide view of facts or thinking.

Now everything is out of wack...kids and adults are being pounded by biased media snd no one wants to look st both sides anymore..its more tribal and it has been directed that way by the constant brainwashing.

TDS is very real.

Diagnose yourself..as soon as you hear or see anything with Donald Trump does you mind go straight to hate..does it go to anger...does it make you feel sick? does it occupy the majority of your thought..well if you get 2 out of those four you need professional help because you are physcologially damaged.

TDS is very real

 

 

[willedoo]

It could very well represent TonyAbbott Derangement Syndrome. I know someone who's got a severe case of that.

[octave]

2 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

does it make you feel sick?

Sometimes, I mean a man who brags about sexual assault!

 

These are some of the folks that Trump pardoned. Are you OK with this? Should he have pardoned these people?

 

Disturbing footage shows officer pinned as rioters rush Capitol door

 

10 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

es but in the late 1930' s there were no mobile phones no idiotic education systems poisioning young minds and uni students producing dumber and stupider people whose life revolves around their devices and only ever watch some idiot on Bookface who frys ants with a magnifying glass who then professes their great knowlegde of politics or how people should live their lives.

So you would like to go back to the 30s. You would like the healthcare system of the 30s. I don't know if you have offspring, but would you like your daughter (if you have any) to not be able to have a career?  You want to work a 48-hour week?

 

Can you define "woke" for me?   I mean, my sister is gay, and I don't hate her, does that make me woke?  My daughter-in-law is Chinese, she is smart, kind and funny, so of course I don't hate her, does that make me woke? If so, then I will happily wear that title.  

 

You talk about TDS, but have you considered "woke derangement syndrome"?   I mean, you do seem a little angry.  I stand by your right to criticise any politician; however, say something about Trump and you and his fans lose it. 

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

No I dont have Woke DS I have SDS Sensible derangement syndrome.

Woke...Marks definition is pretty simple really dont be a dick and do not try to force your beliefs on me by changing laws to only suit minorities..changing history you dont like ....there is lots wrong with "the woke idealogy"

I dont care if you are white, black, brindle, caramel or pink with blue poker dots....if you come here you fit in to our life style and obey OUR laws and not want to bring laws from the shithole you left and try to make it the same here

I dont care if you are gay or pink or LGBTQXYZ I really dont give a shit but do NOT make me have to fit into your beliefs...I also think if you want to dress like a woman and live like one even get your dick cut off thats up to you but you are still a biological male you are NOT a femalle. You cant be pregnant or "potentially pregnant"..this is what woke is its bullshit its not real life. 

 

[Kyle Communications]

I dont know about the pardoning thing but hey Biden pardoned himself and his son....thats nepitism to the max

 

[octave]

 

Just now, Kyle Communications said:

dont know about the pardoning thing but hey Biden pardoned himself and his son....thats nepitism to the max

I would agree. The whole pardoning thing is a bad idea in my opinion.   What Biden's son was prosecuted for illegal gun possession and tax issues.   What the people in this Jan 6 video did was try to crush a man.  These are not equal. In terms of nepotism, do you not have a problem with Eeic and Don Jr. Ivank, and Jarred Kushner? If nepotism is wrong (and it is), then it should be wrong across the board.

 

These are facts, not the product of any kind of derangement syndrome.

[Kyle Communications]

Dont forget the dates he pardoned from....those dates were done so Biden and his son were not convicted or taking money from the Ukraine in dirty deals..many millions of dollars back in about 2014 or 2016...the pardons Biden gave him AND his son were to make sure it was outside the timeframe they could charge him

 

[octave]

5 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

Dont forget the dates he pardoned from....those dates were done so Biden and his son were not convicted or taking money from the Ukraine in dirty deals..many millions of dollars back in about 2014 or 2016...the pardons Biden gave him AND his son were to make sure it was outside the timeframe they could charge him

 

 

If you think I am an apologist for Biden or his son, then you are wrong. I think wrongdoing should be punished, so we agree on that. But do you agree that Trump should be held to the same standard? By the way, Trump is the only President since Nixon not to release his tax returns.

 

Trump was just awarded full immunity for himself and his sons from prosecution for tax crimes, mmm wonder why he asked for that?

 

"The Immunity Deal: Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche signed an addendum to the settlement declaring that the United States is "forever barred and precluded" from prosecuting or pursuing tax claims against the Trumps and their affiliated businesses. [1, 2]

The "Anti-Weaponization" Fund: As part of the wider settlement to drop the lawsuit, the DOJ established a $1.776 billion compensation fund meant for victims who claim they were targeted or wrongly prosecuted by previous government investigations. [1]

The Leak Case: The initial $10 billion lawsuit was filed after an IRS contractor leaked Donald Trump's confidential tax returns to media outlets between 2018 and 2020. [1, 2]

Democratic Backlash: Democratic lawmakers have condemned the agreement, characterizing the settlement as a "get-out-of-jail-free card" and an unprecedented abuse of executive power. [1, 2]

 

[octave]

9 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

dont be a dick and do not try to force your beliefs on me by changing laws to only suit minorities

What is being forced on you?   The SSM legislation extended a right to a group of people. It took nothing as far as I can see from you.   We have a trans neighbour. Used to be a woman and now a man. We often meet for a coffee on a Saturday.  I honestly can not give a toss what they have in their pants.  They are in no way that I can discern infringing on my rights. Who cares? Get on with your life and try to be happy

[willedoo]

I still think our system here takes a lot of beating. A constitutional monachy with the best of both worlds. No el presidente, all government members are elected, not mates appointed by a president, and we have an elected senate, no unelected house of lords. Having an admittedly quirky, but harmless wingnut in pommieland as our theoretical head of state is a small price to pay for it.

[willedoo]

2 hours ago, Marty_d said:

You do know that "TDS" is not real, don't you?

Marty, you do know that I was joking, don't you?