What has Trump done now?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Trump's da man in the Middle East now - can't deny that.

[nomadpete]

[facthunter]

He needs da BIG plane to carry his EGO.  He's the Centre of attention and wants the PEACE prize but who Picks up all the PIECES. He's STOPPED 8 WARS (according to HIM).  He's NOT so happy when you ask him HOW MUCH MONEY HE IS MAKING at the same time. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

9 hours ago, facthunter said:

Netanyahu's effort was extreme and SICKENING. Nev

They may have been, but I am just interested in what anyone in the same position (ex. corruption charges) wold have actually done instead given:

• The Gazans were regularly attacking israel via suicide bombing and other terrorist activities until Israel put a stop to it by building a wall and having a check point. By the way, the check points are there only on the way into Gaza to esnure no bombs.. without killing people and still allowing Gazans to go about their working and daily lives inside Israel. 
• Gazans were still attempting terrorist acts, but because it was largely contained, again without killing people, Israel didn't respond. 
• Almost Daily, Hamas was firing rockets at Israel, which occasionally landed, but because Israel spent its money to protect its citizens rather than hide behind them, not too many casualites (but there was the odd one that got through and killed the odd one that didn't make it to a bunker).
• When Hamas did get through, there was a response, but it wasn't too deady, but a warning, keep stroking the cat, and it will pounce back..
• When Hamas, the governing body of Gaza did finally get through, they targeted your citizens, and rather brutally (like burning people alive; raping family members in front of other family members, axes through heads, and of course, their signatue beheadings) at music fetivals, in citizens homes rather than going for the military, only to retreat cowardly behind their own citizens to avoid the war they had just started
• You know they will continue and not care for their own citizens until they are either wiped out or they have met their aim of wiping you out - not only in Israel, but across the world (read section 7 of the Hamas Charter, and how they famously don't negotiate with Israel)..

 

What exactly would you do different?

 

BTW, in the conduct oif their war:

• They waited 7 days before entering to give citizens enough time to move... although Hamas moves with them.
• Before striking, they give 10 minutes notice and exactly where they strike.
• Yes, there were occasions in a 2 year war where Israel got it wrong.. but on more than a couple of occasions, blasts that killed citiznes that were initially attributeed to Israel were found out to be Hamas.
• Isarael were accused of shooting innocent civilians during aid distribution which thet set up because the UN wouldn't enter through safe corridors set up by Israelis. What other combatant country distributes aid to its enemy citizens? But the corrections to the story of the IDF killing Gazans (which are never the same as the initial sensationalism) pointed out Palestinians were running towards Israeli forces, presumably for protection, as Hamas were shooting their own, and stealing the aid for themselves.
• Palestinians were hungry - yes, but the so-called famine was hard to believe.. How can starving people run like that? How come the parents of emanciated children were not even skinny? 

 

Did Israel act perfectly? No, of course not. War is not perfect.. 

 

Did we carpet bomb Europe and kill how many innocent Germans? Did we (as in the west) nuclear bomb two cities in Japan after the emporer signalled Japan's willingness to surrender and kill how many innocent civilians?  When you people are under constant threat and have acted accordingly by someone else starting a war, and your enemy hide behind their civilians, I am interested - what would you have done differently? Honestly?

 

As Netanyahu said very close to the beginning of the war.. It would be over the minute the hostages were returned and Hamas disarmed. Apart form what is effectively a peackeeping force, the peace plan of Chump is essentially the same. How many were calling/pressuring  for the release of the hostages and disarmament of Hamas to end the war compared to Israel to stop and effective just allow Hamas to re-arm and try again?

Edited yesterday at 07:41 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

I was only referring to Bibi's flattering (of TRUMP) speech.  THAT was clearly stated where you quoted ME out of context  Nev

[red750]

Hamas returned the 20 remaining living hostages in Gaza to Israel and handed over the remains of four dead hostages. 250 Palestinian prisoners and over 1,700 detainees from Gaza, held by Israel for two years without charge, have now been released. 

[facthunter]

Israel certainly had a Large Number detained. THAT would cost a bit. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

I was only referring to Bibi's flattering (of TRUMP) speech.  THAT was clearly stated where you quoted ME out of context  Nev

Apols - easy to take things out of context in e-comms... As I have said before, he is in fine company, with a notable exception of the west, being Albo (and Trudeau/Carney). 

 

However, since others have made the assertion that Israel have gone OTT on this, I will leave the post, because it's a question I would like answered if someone cares to.

Edited yesterday at 08:49 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[nomadpete]

12 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

a question I would like answered if someone cares to.

Me?

Well I do think it is OTT to flatten cities and kill 60,000 civillians just because the baddies might be hiding behind innocent people. 

 

Even in our land we have little power to control the actions of the 'governing' (ruling) mob. I suspect that regardless of their religion, the average Palestinians have little say in whether the power individuals stand behind them or in front of them.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yeah.. but what would you do in that situation where you are responsible for protecting your population? We have no idea of the 60k Palestinians that we're really Hamas. Hamas ministry of health don't differentiate in their numbers.. And badies does play down the evil Hamas is... it isn't a game of cops and robbers

 

BTW, looks like Hamas is not wasting time to reassert itself: https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/grisly-video-shows-how-gaza-peace-can-fall-apart-20251015-p5n2kq.html

 

No Israelis needed

Edited 15 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[Marty_d]

Actually it kind of is a game of cops and robbers (well, terrorists).

Mossad is meant to be one of the most effective intelligence agencies on earth. If this is true then they should have been able to identify most of the Hamas leadership.

Special forces should have taken them out with minimal collateral damage.

The entire Gaza strip didn't need to be leveled.

[nomadpete]

I consider all religious organisations as dangerous to the fabric of civilisation.

 

No thinking person would believe that Hamas has made a realistic 'peace deal'. Nor do they think that Hamas believes in a two state solution. They simply wish to wipe out all the other mob - military and civillians alike.

 

BUT....

 

All that applies to the Israrlies equally.

 

Peace? Bullshit!

 

Forty years ago, a distant acquaintance who worked in the middle east once told me... "The only way to get peace in ME? .... Turn it all into glass"

 

Is that what you suggest, bit by bit, Jerry? Killing all Palestinians won't solve the christian/jew/moslem/power problem. Even when all Palestinians are gone, there is now so much hate that the warring will simply move along to another nearby place.

[red750]

Some ceasefire. Hamas is rearming and Israel has shot some Palestinians. Cop that, Donnie.

 

As for the bodies of missing hostages, probably blown up by Israel or buried in mass graves with the thousands of dead Palestinians. Who knows where they might be?

[pmccarthy]

6 hours ago, Marty_d said:

 

Mossad is meant to be one of the most effective intelligence agencies on earth. If this is true then they should have been able to identify most of the Hamas leadership.

Special forces should have taken them out with minimal collateral damage.

 

They did! But the crazies will carry on without a higher authority. There is no dealing with insanity.

[rgmwa]

Israel's relentless bombing and destruction in Gaza and displacement and killing of civilians will have created plenty of incentive for new recruits to join Hamas and other anti-Israeli factions. Israel obviously had to act after the October 7 attack by Hamas, and they were justified in trying to destroy the organisation, but in many ways it will have only made the long term problem worse. 

[facthunter]

There's plenty of HATE to go around in that region.  Nev

[old man emu]

Will a little child of 10 years old ever forget the trauma experienced over the past two years? Look ahead five to ten years and that child will still carry the mental scars of those years. Only a fool would believe that peace and understanding will exist in that part of the world.

[octave]

On 14/10/2025 at 6:35 PM, Jerry_Atrick said:

The Gazans were regularly attacking israel via suicide bombing and other terrorist activities

When you say Gazans, do you mean Hamas or other terrorists or literally all Gazans?

 

I doubt that the little girl in this video was guilty of anything. Of course, this round of barbarity started with an act of barbarity 2 years ago, and so on back to did dispossession of the Palestinians at the creation of the nation of Israel. The problem will never be solved until the root cause is addressed in a way that gives dignity a safety to both sides.

 

The brutal death of a child is heartbreaking, whatever that childs that child's nationality or religion.

 

 

 

[onetrack]

When the Muslims in this region stop teaching their little children that real power comes from the barrel of a gun, and teaches them to carry firearms as soon as they can walk, then there's little hope of any lasting peace in this region.

 

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-181056/