Albo to the rescue

[Jerry_Atrick]

So, how many people *think* the recently released report on clumsy change I'd a conspiracy theory and still want fossil fuels, even if they were 1/2 the cist of renewables?

 

Do nothing and the cost is much higher.

 

 

 

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

So, how many people *think* the recently released report on clumsy change I'd a conspiracy theory and still want fossil fuels, even if they were 1/2 the cist of renewables?

 

Do nothing and the cost is much higher.

 

 

 

Jaysus, how much Wolfie have you had??

 

But having deciphered your post, I think the Nats and half of the Libs think it's a conspiracy theory, but anyone with a brain doesn't.

[nomadpete]

2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

So, how many people *think* the recently released report on clumsy change I'd a conspiracy theory and still want fossil fuels, even if they were 1/2 the cist of renewables?

 

Do nothing and the cost is much higher.

 

 

 

What did I miss?

 

 

[facthunter]

Marty , HALF of the NATS think....? Now THAT IS News. AS for the Libs IF they aren't careful, they won't exist at all. Suss Ley is being undermined very effectively By Murdoch and her own Party. Nev

[pmccarthy]

Our government is going to destroy our economy for no reason. It will make not one iota of difference to the temperature or climate of Australia.

[onetrack]

The air quality in Beijing has apparently improved out of sight since the city has started to discourage polluting IC engines, and encouraged transport to move over to EV's. It appears nearly all taxis in Beijing are electric.

In addition, large investments in rail to move people around, have done their bit to cut transport emissions. So, there has to be some benefit in any attempt at reducing polluting emissions.

 

The argument that our efforts to cut emissions will only be a drop in the ocean, because China is doing nothing about cutting emissions, is a fallacious one.

 

https://sustainablemobility.iclei.org/air-pollution-beijing/

[Marty_d]

3 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Our government is going to destroy our economy for no reason. It will make not one iota of difference to the temperature or climate of Australia.

The opposite.

Our economy depends on transitioning. We have the most sun and coastline of pretty much any country on earth.

The only people who gain from not doing anything are people like Gina and Clive. And they'll be dead before the worst impacts of inaction hit.

[Jerry_Atrick]

12 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Jaysus, how much Wolfie have you had??

 

But having deciphered your post, I think the Nats and half of the Libs think it's a conspiracy theory, but anyone with a brain doesn't.

Nah.. Morning, after the long drive.. cist = cost.. given the news it gained here, I would have thought it was obvious what I woz tarking aboot...

 

9 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Our government is going to destroy our economy for no reason. It will make not one iota of difference to the temperature or climate of Australia.

This is a typical short term gain, long term pain post.

To put it into context, here is the Herald Sun report, hardly a paper that is unbiased and fair, and one that certainly doesn't support Labor: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/doomsday-predictions-of-climate-change-risk-warns-hundreds-of-australians-could-die-from-heatrelated-ailments/news-story/5dbecbe7914b02f08dcba35a5660b16d

 

Even they couldn't really find anything credible to raise against the report.. Some government bashing..

 

Now, back to the economy.. if we had of invested incrementally over a longer period if time, you know, when it was first raised to our attention we are skirting with real danger, then the economy wouldn't need to take a big hit to its investment budget. But, no.. lack of vision is now forcing our hand. Needless to say, economically, where we can feed ourselves and keep those 1.5m people alive, of which many will be economically productive may make things better.. 

 

Imagine if we had invested a lot and were reaping the cheaper energy while already amortising the cost.. just imagine.. 

 

There is no indiustry that doesn't sustain losses before making it big. Just ask Amazon.

[pmccarthy]

Then read today’s Australian with heading about gross exaggerations in the climate change report. But of course …it’s Murdoch, so you won't. Why can't you guys see a big political lie when it is so open and brazen? It wouldn’t matter except for the damage we are doing to our environment and economy and industrial capability right now because someone has convinced us to believe in witches and demons.

[facthunter]

You are a consistent Climate Change denier anyhow AS is MURDOCH and HE is also Rabidly Anti Labor. The " AUSTRALIAN" is their Loss making BIG Political GUN as anyone in the Game Knows well. IF we don't Pull OUR Weight then eventually IF we last long enough as a living Planet, TARIFFS will be imposed on recalcitrant Countries. When is Fact and Science, Witches and Demons? ALL I see is GREED from some wealthy sectors deliberately  putting out FALSE arguments to keep making zillions as did the Tobacco Industry and not caring a Fig about the effect/outcome.  What could be a  Better source of energy than the  SUN?  It comes here anyway  and will do so for a LONG time yet, Nev

[pmccarthy]

The greed began with Al Gore, at least that is where I first saw it, when he planned to make a fortune trading carbon credits and made a movie to scare us into buying them. The whole climate industry is about dollars, making money for big, vested interests, and about Russian and Iranian and Chinese propaganda and dark ops to destroy the west.

 

I have solar panels on my roof - that is not what this debate is about. Chinese coal consumption increases every year and will continue to do so. They are laughing at us.

 

[facthunter]

You are getting wilder by the Post. China is Fair dinkum about renewables while Trump is NOT. Solar decentralises POWER Supply.. Sunlight is free. The BIG money is in Coal Oil and GAS. ALL finite resources with inevitable cost increases and BIG MONEY owners CONTROLLING the Debate and the Market and Very frightened about wind and solar. Nev

[Siso]

Sunlight is free, converting it to electricity certainly isn't

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, Siso said:

Sunlight is free, converting it to electricity certainly isn't

Based on present pricing, it is cheaper to ditch the grid entirely, and run my own solar/battery/inverter.

 

[facthunter]

It only costs about $400 to stay connected to the Grid and there will be times you can Get electricity cheap IF you are set up right.  Solar has never been cheaper and as good as it is Right  Now. I put panels on when they first came out and they are still going OK with a recent Battery installed.  Overnight so far I've never used all that is available from the Battery. It doesn't discharge completely by design. The total Power so far gained by the Panels would run a Large Jet engine at full Power for 1 and a 1/2 Hours. 

[onetrack]

It's in the realm of the finest American conspiracy theories to say that the climate change agenda is run by big, vested interests. It's like saying the fossil fuel industry is controlled by the Arabs, it's not possible, because of the sheer number of players and nations involved in the energy industries - and in the climate change agenda. You can't buy off all the scientists.

 

We get more propaganda from America today than we ever get from China and Russia, the people running America today are in the same mold as the McCarthy mob - which feral mob destroyed a lot of good people with their hunt for largely non-existent "reds" in America, who the McCarthyists decided were ruining America. What a disgusting mob they were - and the mob running America today are little different.

[facthunter]

Now Trump plays Handies and Tickles In the rear seat of "THE BEAST" with his  with His new PAL Putin. HOW does HE get away with THAT after the MCarthy Purges and BS?. Trump is a world wide JOKE and everyone but HIM Knows it. Unpredictable VAIN and  RATHER  disconnected, uneducated and easily bribed and a dictator in the Making. What could go wrong? Nev

[pmccarthy]

On Trump and America I agree. 

 

China is a 'developing country,' and they say they will always be a developing country. Under UN rules China can do whatever they want. They don’t have to adhere to any binding targets. That’s the official Chinese position. They are building wind farms and solar farms, but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to their increasing fossil fuel consumption.

[Marty_d]

27 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

On Trump and America I agree. 

 

China is a 'developing country,' and they say they will always be a developing country. Under UN rules China can do whatever they want. They don’t have to adhere to any binding targets. That’s the official Chinese position. They are building wind farms and solar farms, but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to their increasing fossil fuel consumption.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-07-16/chinas-renewable-energy-boom-breaks-records/104086640

[facthunter]

They ARE the World's LEADING renewables country Now and are setting 5 year Plans to Increase the % further to avoid dependence on Fossil Fuels. Every reference I looked up that was current says so.  USA has Made it ILLEGAL to promote and scrapped all  renewable development that Biden Funded and is "Drill Baby  drill" and closed the EPA. WHO  I ask Is the More responsible there?   Nev