Albo to the rescue

[Jerry_Atrick]

Safety in numbers 😉

 

[nomadpete]

Thank you, oh eloquent one.

I try to consult wolfie for inspiration. Unfortunately wolfie just makes me verbose and silly.

[Jerry_Atrick]

You may need some divine intervention.. St Huberts of Coldstream may release such inspiration  🙃

[pmccarthy]

The latest news this morning is about corruption in Victoria and bikie/union penetration in to massively subsidised energy farm development. I tip that our premier Jacinta will be replaced by Labor before the coming election. They will still win, due to lack of an opposition.

[Jerry_Atrick]

That's the rub.. the opposition, especially in Vic, seems to live in an alternate reality. We need a strong opposition that provides a credible alternative. They used to be. 

 

The reports this morning that Presutto has been thrown a $1m lifeline in staving off bankruptcy in settling his defamation loss.. but it would come with a condition that holds the Vic Libs to ransom by a property developer who would stump up the cash. That cannot end well.

Edited Thursday at 11:58 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[onetrack]

The Victorian Libs need to stop fighting over who has the steering wheel, and start concentrating on where the car is actually going. While they have major infighting and a lack of policies and direction, they will be forever consigned to the opposition benches as a minor political party with little relevance.

 

The times the Liberals led the country, they had good leaders who sorted out infighting and who knew what the electorate actually wanted, and where their direction was going as regards satisfactory living conditions for the average voter.

As a farmer friend said to me many years ago, we need more Statesmen and Stateswomen, not politicians. Statesmen and Stateswomen have a clear vision of what the country needs, and a plan of how to achieve it. 

[facthunter]

Rupert Hamer was OK. Bolte was a hanging  Whacker. Ted Baulieu was OK. Napthine (Naptime) Useless.  Guy ( Lobsters with the Mobsters) Now they Fight amongst them selves. Moira Deeming hasn't helped demanding Preselection as a condition of settlement. THAT stinks.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Someone must have liked Bolte - he was Vics longest serving premier of 17 consecutibe years. Too early for me to form any opinion on the man, but it would seem performance has no correlation to political success, nor monuments - there is a bridge named after him in Melbourne in 1999.

 

Ahh, that was under Jeff Kennet's watch.. No wonder.

 

BTW, you know the quality of person I am by the people I hang out with. A mate of mine started dating John Cain's daughter, but he put a stop to that very quickly.. Can't have the riff raff in.

[old man emu]

I’ve been watching some videos on Australian political history. When dealing with topics related to State politics, it seems that NSW, QLD and VIC have a culture of political corruption. Don’t know about SA or WA.

 

The list of names of the shonky polies is very long. Probably the worst thing is that the creation of corruption finding organisations does not seem to have been successful in rooting out the crooks.

[red750]

14 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Ahh, that was under Jeff Kennet's watch.. No wonder.

Then the new Exhibition Building in Docklands was named Jeff's Shed, even if a nickname.

[onetrack]

Corruption is rife in every State, and it was blatant in earlier decades, but became more hidden as corruption commissions were set up. In W.A., Brian Burke was certainly corrupt and went to jail for it.

He was called the "four on the floor" Premier for his mateyness with the scumbags of the "W.A. Inc" era - Alan Bond, Laurie Connell, et al. 

 

Former Premier Ray O'Connor was almost certainly as corrupt as they came, but managed to avoid any official scrutiny. Several Police Commissioners in W.A. were almost certainly corrupt, but were "protected" by power groups, possibly Freemasons and others.

 

There was reported to be a "Purple Circle" inside the W.A. Police heirarchy, and at least 2 senior W.A. Police officers are incriminated in unsolved murders - the murder of Shirley Finn, a Madam who was paying Police protection, and the murder of bikie, William "Billy" Grierson at Ora Banda, N of Kalgoorlie.

 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

That's why we should never have complied with military conscription in the 60s, the nation was infested with corruption and organized crime.

[octave]

Many people did resist.

 

 

During the Vietnam War, over 1,000 men in Australia applied for conscientious objector status under the National Service Act. Of these, 733 were granted total exemption from military service, 142 were exempted from combat duties, and 137 had their applications rejected. Many more Australians resisted conscription through other means, such as burning draft cards or leaving the country, although these actions are not classified as conscientious objection under the Act. 

 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Conscientious Objection:

  The National Service Act defined conscientious objectors as those who sincerely believed that any form of military service was wrong. 

   
• Applications:

  Over 1,000 men applied for conscientious objector status between 1965 and 1971. 

   
• Outcomes:

  • Total Exemption: 733 applicants were granted complete exemption from any military service. 
     
  • Partial Exemption: 142 applicants were exempted from combat duties only. 
     
  • Rejections: 137 applications were rejected. 
     
• Other Forms of Resistance:

  Many Australians who opposed the war also resisted conscription by burning their draft cards, refusing to register for the draft, serving jail time, or leaving the country. 

[Jerry_Atrick]

I am not sure I understand the correlation between corruption/organised crime and conscription, to be quite honest.

 

One redeeming feature of Albos is he supports the Hawks...

 

 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

6 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I am not sure I understand the correlation between corruption/organised crime and conscription, to be quite honest.

Had we been on the ball, we would have said Aust and the US stunk to the high heaven with organized crime and corruption, and assassinations in the US, they killed JFK, King, John Connally and Oswald. Kings Cross in Aust was full of crime figures, and Melbourne.

 

We could have pointed out that we were more of a threat to ourselves than tiny N/Vietnam was to us, especially since Communism was legal in Aust, we had a Communist party accepted by the AEC, and that there was not threat of Communists invading Aust from up north.

[Jerry_Atrick]

OK.. I get what you say.. I am not sure hoe the first line of your response correlates to thee second line of your response? I don't see the causal link... We may have been nore or less of a threat to ourselves (and it is your assertion with lack of statement exactly what is the threat and any quantification).. .But they two are not related. We face simulataneous and unrelated threats all the time. We often deploy resources to multiple threats.