NSW State Election 2023

[Jerry_Atrick]

I have finally got through the ABC election coverage to the point of Perrotet's speech conceding defeat. I have to say, that was quite an incredible speech in terms of how magnanimous he was in defeat; not only recognising the NSW population's decision, but urging everyone of all political persuasions to get behind Minns and praising Miins as a leader of integrity, etc. It was a refreshing change to the toxicity of politics lately. Even a Lib senator earlier that they (pollies collectively) have to realise this is Australia and not the US, and the electorate don't appreciate fringe culture wars in their politics. 

 

And that is when the penny dropped; Perrotet thanked both major parties for running a campaign to the top and engaging in a race of ideas and vision; not of identify politics.. And that is how the ABC portrayed the race,. which is probably why there wasn't much MSM national press coverage of the race. Apparently, a lot of the campaigning was at the local level and with less focus on the personalities and more on the politics itself, which doesn't generate the headlines the VBic election did. 

 

I sort of feel sorry for Perrotet in that he was handed a hospital pass. It reminds of me Joan Kirner of the 80's in Vic.. A very broken government with too little time to turn it around. Whether he (or Kirner) had the ability to do so, I am not sure, but he had shown some deft political nous, when, for example, he got Andrews on side with an approach to COVID post lockdown so that the press was cornered and couldn't play each other off their differing approaches. So, I would say he had a better chance than Kirner to turn it around given enough time. 

 

There is also another elephant in the room that @willedoo alludes to. The voter demographics is changing, but even a lot of folks our age are changing, as well. Existential threats in terms of the ecology; the corruption, and the like, I think are also changing. Also, the percentage off millennials that formed the voting population doubled since the last NSW state election. They don't get their information as much from MSM as they do from social media. Social media journos like Friendly Jordies, Swollen Pickles, the Knight in Shining Llama, Michael West, etc.. These people have their biases, of course, but they are unshackled from the commercial interests of advertisers, which so much drive MSM and the divisionary approach that the media perform on their advertiser's behalf. 

 

The coalition, but Libs especially, have an uphill battle rebuilding their party as electable the more the millennials become a proportion of the voting public. They may well find they are past it, and their brand may become so tainted, they may fade away, with a new party being born to take its place, which will avoid the public baggage drop and bloodshed.. by revamping the party's old guard. 

 

Get ready for the nutcases, though... I googled NSW Election memes, and clicked on a twitter link. There may well be stories surfacing of potential election rigging based on a video allegedly purporting to show a NSW election official erasing a vote and recasting it. Let's see what happens.

[nomadpete]

Thanks for the summary Jerry. Must have been a multi wolfie marathon, staying up to follow the coverage. I admit to tuning out - it's all too far away to affect us in  our safe little liberal enclave

[Jerry_Atrick]

 

 

" Must have been a multi wolfie marathon, staying up to follow the coverage."

 

Nah.. I was up at the lake distrcit for the last few days, and was wathcing the Youtube coverage replay - I love election counts for some reason. So, no marathon. Took about 12 hours to watch the 4.5ish hour count, as I was interrupted a fair few times at home.

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Jerry_Atrick

[old man emu]

My old electorate of Camden was once the Conservative heartland of southwest Sydney. It covered the Cowpastures which were the lands of the kings of the squattocracy, the Macarthurs, and their courtiers from amongst the Rum Corps. In this election it went bluer that Mt Gambier's lake.

 

Why? Two things I think.

No. 1:

There has been a major change in the cultural complexity. Until about 2010, the electorate was almost exclusively of British extract. After that, massive housing development has taken place. Hundreds of hectares of what was once grazing land are now covered with "little boxes made of ticky-tacky". Dwelling in them is a multicultural population of families comprised of parents in their late 20s to mid-30s , both working at places they must spend the best part of an hour driving to, trying to pay mortgages on their ticky-tacky boxes , and a couple of kids being educated at schools where the only substantial building  are the administration block and the toilet block.

 

These people have no historic ties with the Conservatives, and they see their financial woes as being the result of Conservatives pandering to Big Business and also those living east of Homebush.

 

No.2:

Following up behind those late 20s to mid-30s mortgage holders are the millennials of 18 to 25 whose education has been influenced by climate change and sexual identity topics. Their attitudes to both these topics is most definitely not those of the Conservatives. That group is also seeing the effects of poor planning in infrastructure and financial management, and fearing for their lives under a fractured system.

 

Put the numbers of those two groups together and the traditional Conservative base is swapped. Perhaps a third factor is that the traditional Conservatives are reaching the end of their "three score and ten", and are more intent on buying smaller plots  of land than they had in their youth.

[Old Koreelah]

1 hour ago, nomadpete said:

Thanks for the summary Jerry. Must have been a multi wolfie marathon, staying up to follow the coverage. I admit to tuning out - it's all too far away to affect us in  our safe little liberal enclave

Are you sure it’s safe?

[Bruce Tuncks]

Good stuff guys. I liked Perrottet's speech too even though I didn't stay up. The Libs need to undermine the Teal's base and stay away from the extreme loonies, even if those loonies have big money.

There was a "right wing think tank guy " ( I suspect it should be called a coal-miner's lobby ) who referred to "the climate-change cult". So I looked up just what is meant by a cult and the deniers, like our guy,  fit the bill exactly. The climate-change scientists don't remotely fit .

As has been said, the new voters are less likely than ever to vote further right than our liberals are today. Each year, there are over 150,000 oldies die and about 180,000 new electors reaching voting age.

[facthunter]

Just work out who is making money as a result of the story they put out. They are the ones that had all the "voice 'in Morrissons  minions.   Part time lackeys. Best Pollies Money can buy.  Nev

[willedoo]

4 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I love election counts for some reason.

Same here Jerry, totally addicted to them. I make an event of watching election night coverage. It has all the elements for good entertainment - watching democracy in action, tearing down tall poppies, backing the underdog, seeing jaws drop, booing the dickhead.

 

One of the silliest nights I've seen was Bill Shorten's loss to that person we don't want to know. The Labor supporters at their election night base were popping the champagne before the polls had closed, so sure they were of victory based on all the leading poll trends over the months previous. Within the hour they all looked like stunned mullets, milling about like passengers staggering out of a train wreck.

 

Another crazy one was a Qld. state election years ago. The sitting Nationals thought they could screw Labor by preferencing One Nation over Labor. The result was Hanson took about a dozen seats from the Nats who've never recovered their vote base to this day. There wasn't many ON members left by the end of the term. Most of them were funny farm material. It was amusing watching the first parliament sit with a big block of weirdos all grouped together and both the Nats and Labor staring daggers at them. Pauline thought she was hot stuff, but the reality was only one of them won on first preferences. The rest were only there as a result of the Nats preference deal. The Nationals never did that again.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Looks like the euphoria that encompassed the NSW ALP may be a little subdued as enough of the in-doubt seats went to the Libs despite big swings to Labor. Looks like it's minority rule, but I prefer that as long as the cross-benchers are reasonable - and not of the ilk of Mark Latham.. Geez, if Hanson to labelled something as disgusting; it must have been vile.

[old man emu]

Now we have to see which way the Independents move. My seat is held by an Independent, but  being  ex-Shooters & Fishers, I reckon he'd be a bit of a Red, and I don't mean a Red under the Bed type red.

[facthunter]

Morrison is about to take a new job apparently in the USA. BY election for Cooke?  Sleep easy Dutton. They reckon there's no one else and that's why you are safe. . THAT must be re assuring??  Nev

[old man emu]

Winning Cook might be a hard task at the moment. Cook covers three State seats. One os Kogarah - Minn's big win, the other two, Miranda and Cronulla remained Lib, but with appreciable swings away from the Libs.

 

We live in interesting times.

[Old Koreelah]

7 hours ago, facthunter said:

Morrison is about to take a new job apparently in the USA. BY election for Cooke? 

In any other line of work, you’d be severely penalised financially for jumping ship from a job you had recently applied for and won.

He asked to be elected representative of a group of people. Now we have to go through the expense of doing it all again. 
 

The cost of the by-election should be taken from his pension.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I do agree, OK, but in fairness, a sitting ex-PM is usually a lame duck (or, in SFM's case, lame dick, IMHO). It is not uncommon for ex PMs to resign their seat in the aftermath of a loss.. I am surprised he took so long to do it given the magnitude of his loss.  He has lost virtually all political capital - and I would say that of his own party as well as the incoming government. SO I would cut some slack in this case, but not for the length of tiume he took. He certainly comes aross as a parasite.

 

As for his new job. I am happy for him and his employer, as there is every reason to suggest he will cost them as much, iof not more than all of his previous employers.. They really should do more homework.

[facthunter]

"Brother" Stewy Roberts may follow. A big supporter of Morrisson. Rats and sinking ships??  Nev

[onetrack]

Morrison is a specialist in the Hot Air Dept, and it appears he's joined a group espousing much more Hot Air production. I cannot believe the amount of money these people charge, and which amounts many imbeciles seem to gladly pay, to go worship on the words of their idols. 

 

https://7news.com.au/politics/scott-morrison/former-prime-minister-scott-morrison-shares-new-role-with-worldwide-speakers-group-wwsg-c-8571296

[rgmwa]

His ego has obviously recovered from his election loss. Just the sort of scam non-job his talents suit him for. Good riddance.

[facthunter]

Their "example" hasn't put their church in a great light. By the fruit there of will the tree be judged. Bugger their constituents. They were just a means to an end.. I hope they realise it when the BUY election is held and a "never again " move takes place. Nev

[willedoo]

The usual verbal diarrhoea from Morrison, he said joining the Worldwide Speakers Group would help facilitate his ‘growing relationships within the private sector’. That's Morrison speak for "hopefully it might land me a job somewhere".

 

onetrack's link should be in the comedy section. It looks like they get to write their own bio; either that or the WWSG are not too bright.

Some of the highlights:

-the true definition of a leader with a 360-degree worldview

-a globalisation mastermind

-known for providing measured geopolitical leadership

-aggressively working toward a net zero global emissions economy

 

I wonder how many speeches he will make before the WWSG realise they've hired an absolute moron.

[facthunter]

That was a while ago. I'm not sure this is the same job. He performs consistently at stuffing things up by mismanagement (and worse) .He's not getting much support or Praise.  Time wounds all Heels. Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

I would have voted independent. I can see how parties developed, but I don't have to like the idea and so I vote for small parties or independents these days. I am a member of "Sustainable Australia " and we lost our only seat in the Vic election. I thought the guy had done a good job.... alas, the electorate disagreed.

[facthunter]

Parties when transparent develop Policies which member input contribute to. WIth the LNP the ordinary person cannot be allowed to know what the "ARRANGEMENT" between the 2 Paries IS. It's proven to be an unholy alliance which beneifits the NPs as they can blackmail the Libs and do. Nev