Old Koreelah Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 ?..we would get rid of States only over the dead bodies of the people who want to retain those independent powers. I fully agree with this, Turbs. Big corporations laugh all the way to the bank over this issue. I suspect the business model of some enterprises is dependent on the tax holidays, establishment grants and disguised subsidies they negotiate by playing off one state against another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Tourism would employ much more and is sustainable. Tourism is a useless industry which produces nothing in tight times being a non essential service it will die in the ass first. It is disappointing to see so many red-raggers on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is a forum that has been provided by a very generous individual, aided by others who assist in a voluntary manner so that a large group of us can discuss, in an open way, many issues that interest us. I appreciate Ian's efforts and if others are saddened by the diversity of opinions found herein then tough. I take this opportunity to wish all fellow forumites a great 2014. Regards Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 It is disappointing to see so many red-raggers on this forum. People should agree to disagree sometimes, and just respect the fact that others may hold wildly different ideals, and that their personal reasons to hold those ideals can be just as valid for them as for anyone else. I think most people come here to talk and read about flying, and in that regard, I don't care what their political affiliations are. It isn't www.conservativerecreationalflying.com any more than it is the www.socialistrecreationalflying.com forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I think most people come here to talk and read about flying. Yep I'm going with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Very disappointed with your reference to myself as a red ragger for bringing up the tourism industry. Facts will support the validity of my statement. I didn't start the thread either. Are people of certain views not permitted/welcome here ? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 tourism is a huge industry, I know a lot of you guys grew up in the 1940's when most tourism was at her majesties service but it big big bucks now. There is this plane called a 747 that's been selling quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Very disappointed with your reference to myself as a red ragger for bringing up the tourism industry. Facts will support the validity of my statement. I didn't start the thread either. Are people of certain views not permitted/welcome here ? Nev Your comment about tourism was not connected to the red ragger comment but rather your and many others attitudes in general which I find hard to believe. But as has already been said this should not be on this forum so I am going to abstain from comment in future. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Better check under your bed Richard. The fact this surprises you in a country such as Australia is strange. What version of our history were you taught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 But as has already been said this should not be on this forum so I am going to abstain from comment in future.Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The moderators will decide what appears on the forum and in general they do an outstanding job. The attitude that we should not voice independent views on politics sounds like small town prejudice to me. Freedom of speech is the most valuable commodity and we should freely exercise it. Regards, Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Don't believe what is written in the Papers. Currently they BASH so called lefties.( Any one left of TEA Party views). Putting a label on someone generally is used to make their contribution seem less worthwhile. Dare to be different .Think for yourself. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Rupert is definitely getting senile and as he loses his balance he seems more obsessed with crushing everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The moderators will decide what appears on the forum and in general they do an outstanding job. The attitude that we should not voice independent views on politics sounds like small town prejudice to me. Freedom of speech is the most valuable commodity and we should freely exercise it. Regards, Don I haven't seen anyone say that the mods don't do a great job; nor that this thread shouldn't be here. Not even that people shouldn't express their views. But after awhile, surely it gets a bit pointless to try to convert those who are just as ardent supporters for something that is opposite to what you believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I haven't seen anyone say that the mods don't do a great job; nor that this thread shouldn't be here. Not even that people shouldn't express their views. But after awhile, surely it gets a bit pointless to try to convert those who are just as ardent supporters for something that is opposite to what you believe in. Quite the opposite to my mind...with the prospected outlook for humanity's future in the next 200 years I would say it is IMPERITIVE rather than POINTLESS. There are a lot of people within society who say "Who cares...I won't be here."... Sadly much of this mud attitude hs drifted to the top in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 But do you spend your days attempting to convert those who are determined to not be converted? Or spend your time where you might make a difference. When it comes to politics, a steadfast belief in one side or the either is hardly likely to improve the prospect for hummanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 G'day Bandit, you can read the comment saying that this thread should not be in this forum. I am not trying to convert anyone. I strongly object to those who wish to stifle free speech. I saw it when John Howard was PM and again now. I did not start this thread and only commented to try to show the circular nature..the futility of debates about "illegal migration", whatever that might be. I really will now exit this thread and I appreciate your very sincere comments. Regards, Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I must have missed the comment about not being in this forum Don, although a couple suggested that offtopic would be better than humour. Please dont think that I suggested that people shouldn't express their opinions. But I was starting to see some people for whom I have a lot of respect for (at least from theur posts as they are strangers in real life) who seemed to be heading towards open brawling. Hence the agree to disagree bit. Cheers, Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 You're wasting your time with the extremists Bandit; they love to vilify something including their own country and it's leaders. If you do a plagiarism check, you'll find some of the original versions of their vitriol relate to George Bush who is supposed to have staged 9/11 for the benefit of the war machine etc etc. It doesn't matter if you give them facts, the vitriol just moves on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 319 posts, proves that this thread is popular and should stay. People can always skip over the thread if they don't want to read it or is not interested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 I quite enjoy reading some Clarkson, his not PC attitude it quite refreshing, he's mostly tongue in cheek though.The world needs more Clarksons. Jeremy being Tongue -in -cheek" about PC. . . .? ? ? ? ? Trust me on this,. . . . He is really serious. Trust me,. . . . He sends me personal emails, and thinks I'm worse than he is. . . . . . Phil ( PS,. . . his Auntie lives just around the corner from our house. . . .! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Jeremy being Tongue -in -cheek" about PC. . . .? ? ? ? ? Trust me on this,. . . . He is really serious. Trust me,. . . . He sends me personal emails, and thinks I'm worse than he is. . . . . . Phil ( PS,. . . his Auntie lives just around the corner from our house. . . .! ) Don't care, still like reading his stuff. I think we'ed get along fairly well actually. I know he's deliberately not PC, but many of his statements are piss taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 we are at war http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-10/abbott-likens-campaign-against-people-smugglers-to-war/5193546 actual reality of new boat solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Don't care, still like reading his stuff. I think we'ed get along fairly well actually.I know he's deliberately not PC, but many of his statements are piss taking. The latest tome, "Is it too much to ask ? " is on my shelf already, . . . .I've only read it twice though. . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I just have to share this. I'm listening to an interview with a very interesting (and brave) author about his research into the origins of Islam. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandartsdaily/4560962 Islam has much wisdom to offer, but Moslems should accept that it is not a perfect religion, should not be forced on anyone, nor should anyone die or kill in its name. Perhaps asking too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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