Marty_d Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Bit of leadership by the government wouldn't go astray. A few European countries have now set a date when all new petrol & diesel cars will be banned. But here in Aus the emissions standards are lower than much of the western world. Tesla have released the "affordable" model and have more orders than they'll be able to fill in a reasonable time. It's only a matter of time before electric vehicles will be cheaper, lower maintenance and nicer to drive than petrol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Unf, any new technology, until it has hit economies of scale is usually going to be pretty pricey very true, but once an idea takes off.......... 1973: First Mobile Phone Call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I would like a "free " demo-Tesla, From Brissie, to Boulia, drive the "plenty hwy" to "Gemtree" turn right at Three-ways, up the "Stuart hwy, then left to "Topsprings" onto the "Buchanan hwy", have a look at the fleet of planes & helicopters at "Victoria River Downs Station" then left into "Victoria hwy" Rest stop "Timber Creek". Somehow I doubt that car would hold together before it reached "Broom". Electric vehicles maybe good (like the fifties delivery trucks) in cities. And make it "self-drive" just to ruin a good adventure drive. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I would like a "free " demo-Tesla,From Brissie, to Boulia, drive the "plenty hwy" to "Gemtree" turn right at Three-ways, up the "Stuart hwy, then left to "Topsprings" onto the "Buchanan hwy", have a look at the fleet of planes & helicopters at "Victoria River Downs Station" then left into "Victoria hwy" Rest stop "Timber Creek". Somehow I doubt that car would hold together before it reached "Broom". Electric vehicles maybe good (like the fifties delivery trucks) in cities. And make it "self-drive" just to ruin a good adventure drive. spacesailor Tesla "glamping" in the Australian outback - One Step Off The Grid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Hydrogen vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Octave, Yes they're getting better, But they still wouldn't survive the bad roads. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Octave,Yes they're getting better, But they still wouldn't survive the bad roads. spacesailor I am curious as to how you know this. The vehicles in the article I posted survived. Surely there are 2 issues here, the car itself and then the bits that are not in a standard car. I have not driven or examined a Tesla but my son who is a massive car nerd and competes in motorsport and is involved indirectly with motor engineering hired a Tesla on a trip to San Francisco. He was so impressed that he has ordered one, even though he now lives in New Zealand and even given the import cost, he has decided that it is worth it. It would be interesting to know what knowledge you have as to what parts tend to fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 My thoughts are the batteries would be shaken to failure on the two "Roads" I suggested. The roads are so rutted & corrugated that the spot welds give way, spring hangers on trailers part company with the trailer frame, lots of Aussie's will attest this. On my vehicle I killed a shock-absorber, It just spat it's oil out & the seal as well!, and don't forget the camper-trailer hanging off the rear end. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 My thoughts are the batteries would be shaken to failure on the two "Roads" I suggested.The roads are so rutted & corrugated that the spot welds give way, spring hangers on trailers part company with the trailer frame, lots of Aussie's will attest this. On my vehicle I killed a shock-absorber, It just spat it's oil out & the seal as well!, and don't forget the camper-trailer hanging off the rear end. spacesailor So did the car in the article survive? Of course, most of the car is a car like any other. and would be subject to usual the rigours of such a trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 So.... regular cars can't handle the road either - sounds like it's the road and not the vehicle, regardless of powerplant. Nev (facthunter) commented on another thread that he wanted to see electric 4WD's with an engine on each wheel. Have that and your suspension can be brilliant, there's no drivetrain, no differentials, a whole lot fewer things to go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Did it travel the Plenty & Buchanan hwy ? Lots of roads that require more maintenance than they get now, but not being on major rout's, once a year or after floods wash them out is the best we get. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 So.... regular cars can't handle the road either - sounds like it's the road and not the vehicle, regardless of powerplant. Nev (facthunter) commented on another thread that he wanted to see electric 4WD's with an engine on each wheel. Have that and your suspension can be brilliant, there's no drivetrain, no differentials, a whole lot fewer things to go wrong. Like this perhaps, ok fair enough this vehicle is a hobby vehicle and does not have a fantastic range but still pretty interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Did it travel the Plenty & Buchanan hwy ?Lots of roads that require more maintenance than they get now, but not being on major rout's, once a year or after floods wash them out is the best we get. spacesailor I am guessing that many vehicles would not handle these roads however they happen to be powered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Like this perhaps, ok fair enough this vehicle is a hobby vehicle and does not have a fantastic range but still pretty interesting MMMMM... Defender... electric.... *drool* I notice it's still got all the running gear though, they've just replaced the engine. I'd like to see the wheels driven by their own motors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 This was interesting (not just Katter and Albo being mates), but check out the bit about the solar array and pumped hydro. Now THAT is a future power station. However knowing how the damn conservatives think, wouldn't be surprised if Adani gets their billion bucks from the Northern Australia Infrastructure Fund, and projects like this get knocked back. Katter and Albo take bromance to the bush on 'power trip' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 There are so many ways the North could be developed, its obscene that the fund would even consider supporting a coal mine- especially one owned by foreigners with a dodgy record, and who have already set up tax havens so that they'll never pay tax here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Yep. if solar plus pumped hydro can work economically, thats great. The cost will be way higher than just the solar during sunlight hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storchy neil Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just a thought the solar con has reached the verdict that the climate change is going to give us sunshine 24/7 neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Storage Neil, or very quick standby response. (Very expensive) Coal and gas don't like hot days and Critical Coal cant operate at varying settings. CLEAN Coal is the CON. No Investors will go for it, but the government want to stick their necks out and fund it with your money. Does that sound OK to you? The only CHEAP Coal is from (existing) worn out amortised generators. Newly constructed COAL generation is extremely expensive. The experts do their sums and decide NO but the LNP Government have another agenda. I doubt many Farmers want Coal Seam Gas. They want arable land and aquifers to continue to exist. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 One of the things that car designers struggled to do was to reduce unsprung weight to provide better ride and roadhoding. An electric motor on each wheel is going to play havoc with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 The modern high torque motors weight very little. They also work as Electro regenerative brakes, eliminate driveshafts unsprung live axles and differentials, CV joints, etc which cost, are heavy and get in the way of rocks and directly affects ground clearance. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Directly-driven wheels would be the simplest system, but do modern electric motors have sufficient torque range to do away with the need for gears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 They are getting 1,000 's of horsepower to the road in the most powerful hybrid cars. More from electric than the other. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Interesting Nev, but do they use reduction gears between motor and wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 They can, but high torque motors are available. Aftermarket Hybrids utilise the rear wheels for electric drive on front wheel drive Vans nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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