The impact of Immigration

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I went to a podiatrist early last year, he happened to be muslim. I explained that I needed work done on my large toenails, they were curling and hard for me to trim. Then he started talking about consent, "if I come in his shop, I'm giving consent", or some such thing. Not knowing what he was on about, I gave a reason why it wasn't urgent, excused myself, and left.

 

Anyone know what that consent business is all about? Any experts on Islam here? Perhaps Tony Burqa could clue me in.

[Brendan]

11 hours ago, facthunter said:

You are a very Patient person Octave and put a lot of effort into correcting erroneous figures and statements, There's a hell of a lot of deliberate Misinformation out there so we ALL should put  a more critical eye on stuff from dubious sources for Nefarious Reasons . You have consistently done this for a Long time and I thank you greatly for your efforts. Nev

If anyone criticises the labour party you call it misinformation. 

You refuse to admit crime is out of control in Victoria. Because Daniel Andrews caused it 

Never mention the corruption labour have been involved in.

Billions handed to crime gangs and union officials.

Alboneses has been a communist party member since he was a teenager.

Andrews and Alan are too.

And banging on about one nation being  racist is crap. They only want what's best for Australians and that means slowing the current migration levels and bringing in more stringent entry standards. 

We all know we need immigration just not the way the clowns are doing it at the moment.

Hopefully this November some healing can start when Jacinta Andrews gets kicked out .

But our electoral system needs to change to stop preferences getting unwanted people elected.

I don't know anyone that voted labour yet albo got in by a landslide with prefences.

 

[Brendan]

[Marty_d]

6 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

I went to a podiatrist early last year, he happened to be muslim. I explained that I needed work done on my large toenails, they were curling and hard for me to trim. Then he started talking about consent, "if I come in his shop, I'm giving consent", or some such thing. Not knowing what he was on about, I gave a reason why it wasn't urgent, excused myself, and left.

 

Anyone know what that consent business is all about? Any experts on Islam here? Perhaps Tony Burqa could clue me in.

FFS. He was asking if you consented to his handling your feet to cut your toenails.

When my karate sensei corrects my stance he asks permission to move my arm. 

In the age of Epstein and Weinstein it's just safer to ensure you have consent before touching someone's body.

If you want someone to blame for that, entitled rich creeps like them and indeed "grab 'em on the pussy" Trump should be your target.

[pmccarthy]

I believe that in Australia by law you have to obtain consent before kissing your girlfriend.

[old man emu]

At its very simplest, an assualt consists of touching another person, or being in close enough proximity to continue moving towards touching. An assualt can either be consenteed to, or not. If there is consent, then the assualt is lawful. Those sorts of assaults can range from a handshake, to a hug, to a kiss. Even a tackle in a football game is an assault consented to, as long as the tackle style is lawful under the rules of the game. In the situations I have mentioned, consent is normally assumed as being part of normal interaction.

 

In all other cases, touchin another person is an unconsented assault. Have you ever undergone a procedure in a hospital? Do you remember signing a document to confirm your constent to undergo the procedure?  In the case of the podiatrist, the more serious assault arises from the use of a cutting tool on a part of the body. If one visits a podiatrist for a procedure, one has in one's mind that the assault is consented to. However, the podiatrist is not a mind reader, and therefore for the podiatrist's protection, that consent must be confirmed. The consent can be revoked at any time thereafter.

 

 

 

 

[red750]

4 minutes ago, old man emu said:

If one visits a podiatrist for a procedure, one has in one's mind that the assault is consented to.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. If you didn't want him to touch you and cut your nails, why would you go there? If you go to a hairdresser, it is assumed you give consent to to the barber cutting your hair when you climb into the chair.

 

I am reminded of a comedy sketch I saw on TV a few years ago where a guy and girl were sitting on a couch and he pulled out a tape recorder and turned it on to record asking for permission to kiss her, and recording her approval.

[old man emu]

Getting back to topic.

 

Today is ANZAC Day. I've just come back from the Dawn Service in my town. A lot of people came to the service in ages from five to ninety-five. My town has a very strong tradition of remembrance becasue it was from here that the first citizen's recruiting march of WWI began. https://cooeemarch1915.com/ In a while. I'll go back into town for the daytime service at which there will be a lot more people.

 

However, as I was listening to the radio on the way home this morning there was talk of how the change in origin of our population is going to reduce the importance of ANZAC Day to the national identity. To be brutally honset, ANZAC Day is something that relates to those of us who have links to a British ancestry. Aboriginal people did participate, but thier descendants do not seem to want to be involved. The organisers of the serices in my town have tried to simply get the local Aboriginal community to provide a flag to be flown alongside the Australian and New Zealand flags, but to no avail. I don't want to dwell on that point, so don't you.

 

There are only a few people in town from what we might call the immigrant countries. They are good citizens, but do not have the heritage of ANZAC Day. I suspect that in our major cities the ratio of Anglos to non-Anglos is weighted towards the non-Anglos. Those non-Anglos are Australians. Think of the Italians, Greeks, Germans, Dutch, Hungarians etc who came here after WWII. Their decendants are dinki-di. In the future those whose parents came from India, Africa and Asia will reformulate what an Australian is. But I think that the ANZAC tradition will not be a big ingredint in that fomula. 

 

Is that a bad thing? Lamentable, perhaps, but as a nation's character evolves, some traits disappear.  Should we cling stubbornly to the Past, or accept an evolving Future. I know that you will have strong feelings about this due to how you were brought up, but soon we will be gone. Will our descendants have teh same feelings. Considering what the make up of the Nation will be in say, 50 years, will the clebration of ANZAC Day be important?

 

[Brendan]

[facthunter]

I understand they booed the "Welcome to Country" ceremony.  which is worth Knowing. Nev

[octave]

'Neo-nazis' boo condemned at Melbourne Anzac Day dawn service

[old man emu]

Just got home from the daytime service. A large number of people of all ages attended, including kids from the three schools and the pre-school. These kids marched in the parade along the main street to the memorial, and representatives from each school laid a wreath. Seniors from the high school read the poems, At the Going Down of the Sun; The Inquisative Mind of a Child; Commemoration of the Fallen, and In Flanders Field.

 

You know the song, I am Australian? I mentioned the Coo-ee March. We add antoerh verse:

I'm a band of Coo-ee marchers,

From Gil to Sydney's shore;

We sailed to France

Fought bravely

In the muddy hell of war.

I'm a digger. I'm an ANZAC

I'm a proud Gilgandra son.

My heart, my home, my country.

I am Australian

We don't have the generic war memorial in the main street with a statue of a Digger standing atop. We have a statue in the main street to commemoriate the Coo-ee March. It was sculpted by a member of one of the local families.

 

[rgmwa]

4 hours ago, old man emu said:

There are only a few people in town from what we might call the immigrant countries. They are good citizens, but do not have the heritage of ANZAC Day. I suspect that in our major cities the ratio of Anglos to non-Anglos is weighted towards the non-Anglos. Those non-Anglos are Australians. Think of the Italians, Greeks, Germans, Dutch, Hungarians etc who came here after WWII. Their decendants are dinki-di. In the future those whose parents came from India, Africa and Asia will reformulate what an Australian is. But I think that the ANZAC tradition will not be a big ingredint in that fomula. 

My dad served in the Dutch army as an anti-tank gunner before Germany invaded Holland. He and his crew actually derailed one of the returning German troop trains on its way back to the border after delivering troops to the Rotterdam area on the morning of the invasion. They were also involved in a number of rearguard actions before Holland capitulated. In his later years he decided that despite not being a naturalised Australian he should be entitled to walk in the Anzac parade and take part in the Dawn Service as an allied soldier even though he wasn't an Anzac, so he did. One year he was very proud to be able to march with his grand daughter who was in uniform. She is currently a captain in the Navy. At his funeral in 2016 some local RSL volunteers played the Last Post in accordance with his wishes. Many years ago I went with him on a trip back to Holland, my first time going overseas. We were in a museum in Eindhoven one day and there was a photo among the exhibits of a wrecked locomotive and carriages lying on their sides. He pointed to it and said; "I did that". 

Edited 12 hours ago by rgmwa

[old man emu]

It's great to see a photo of one's Dad in a museum collection. I've got private photos of my Dad taken during his service, but I got the biggest thrill when I found a photo in the Australian War Memorial collection of my Dad in a war zone. He did serve in the Western Desert, but was wounded. That crearted a disability that made him unsuitable for infantry duty (no right index finger to pull a trigger), so he was attached to an narmy hospital where he was a warehouseman. Somebody has to receive and issue new bedpans. Dad had his own copy of the photo, but seeing it in the AWM collection with him identified by name is great.

[red750]

"Australians" have the strong link towards Anzac Day  because of the historic and family links referred to in the previous posts. However, if we moved to, say, Canada, would we adopt their historic memorials? It's easy to understand the disassociation immigrants have without the family links to the past.

[willedoo]

9 hours ago, old man emu said:

It's great to see a photo of one's Dad in a museum collection. I've got private photos of my Dad taken during his service, but I got the biggest thrill when I found a photo in the Australian War Memorial collection of my Dad in a war zone.

It's amazing what you can find on the AWM site if you have a good scratch around. A couple of years ago I was doing some research on my Dad's service in WW2 and was looking at 2/9th. Battalion photos in the AWM collection and spotted him in one. He wasn't named, but it was definitely him. Unfortunately the photo title didn't give much information but I got the impression it was a PR photo showing the battalion command along with some randomly picked ordinary ranks, as I couldn't recognise any others from my Dad's section or platoon in the photo. 

[willedoo]

I didn't attend any services this year as I've got my vehicle half pulled apart so no transport, and possibly a good thing as it was pouring rain. I watched the televised dawn service held on the beach at Elephant Rock at Currumbin on the Gold Coast, and I think it was the first time the Currumbin service has been televised. With Gallipoli being a beach landing, the dawn services held on beaches seem to have a bit of extra effect. It was a good service to watch, with a bit of everything from letting homing pidgeons go to John Williamson finishing the service performing his song True Blue.

 

Every Anzac Day I can't help thinking how sad it must have been for some families with multiple losses. You see it quite a bit on small town cenotaphs where there will be three or four of the same surname listed, especially on the WW1 section. Most are usually siblings and/or cousins. Our extended family has only ever lost two members, my great uncle killed in France in 1916, and my nephew in active service with the Navy in 2011. My other great uncle returned home safe from service with the Lighthorse in the Middle East and my father and maternal grandfather both returned home safe from the islands in WW2. My Dad's sister was also in the Army as a nurse in the AANS, but she served in Australia only.