Middle East conflict

[facthunter]

 Your support seems very  strong as you have presented it. Nothing I write is REGARDLESS of the FACTS Many Jews feel as I do. Netanyahu cannot  be permitted to see every criticism Of his actions to Be invalid or antisemitic, He goes after His OWN People viciously in Israel who do this. When HE did this to People HERE it was crossing the red Line for ME. Jerry I can't see Any Point in You and Me continuing this conversation IF you consider I have No idea what I'm talking about and Haven't researched the subject. Netanyahu and HIS ultra  right supporters are very Much a concern of Mine. THEY are NOT NICE People. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Can you please point to anywhere I I state you write something regardless of the facts? 

 

For the record, this is what I wrote:

 

1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

What I do is push back on is what I perceive to be abject attribution of blame and crticism if Israel, regardless of the facts. 

 

In the context of the post, it was a general statement asd to what is the motivation behind my point of view and posts.. i.e. it is not a whole hearted non-critical support of Netanyahu, which is what you perceive my position to be. 

 

Again, can you please read the posts and not put words into my mouth (or keyboard).

 

I am a strong supported on Israel's right to exist and live in peace. I am also a strong supporter of a Palestinian state where Palestinians can live in peace as well. I am not a supporter of a Palestinian state founded and ruled through terror.  

 

Notice, I don;t use the word Netanyahu in any of that.

 

I don't subscribe to the notion that it is Israel that is denying that to the Palestinians (unless of course, people think that Palestine should be all of what is now Israel, Gaza and the West Bank). I agree that a Palestinian state at the moment - when it is ruled by terrorists is not the right time, unuil a more peaceful and pragmatic leadership and government (on a sustained basis) is installed. If Israel now never want a peaceful Palestinian state, then I would obviously be very critical of Israel.. I am sure there are people, and organisations in Israel that do not want to ever see a Palestinian nation, but that does not mean Israel and the vast majority of Israelis don't want to. 

 

42 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Many Jews feel as I do. Netanyahu cannot  be permitted to see every criticism Of his actions to Be invalid or antisemitic,

I think I understand what you mean here (I know typing isn't easy for you - I can't talk - my typos are far worse), so pls forgive me as I take ot to mean many jews agree that Netanyau should be criticised.  I also agree.. But many Arabs also support the Israeli action and that of Netanyahu as well. You don't see it reported much, but looking around the internet, it is not hard to find such support. In fact, the son of a Hamas founder, is very vocal of his support.. And I would suggest he knows more about Hamas than most Jews outside of Israel. But there are many more as well. Interestingly, both the Iranian and Iraqi who work for me (the latter being a Muslim) have similar views to me on this war. 

 

My support may seem strong, but that is because there are far more people that see the headlines and the horror and automatically attrinute it wholly to Israel - just look at the protests against Israel when they were dragged into the war - some even before a shot was fired. And look at the protests when the IRGC killed almost as many in a few weeks as Israel did in a year. Oh - what protests? No Jews, no news. Also, on here, allegations of Israel that are not substantiated, and when I challenge them with facts, they are never responded to. For the record, I am not referring to you, Nev. 

 

So you can tell me a lot of the vitriol, ahem, criticism against Israel is not driven by anti-semestism, but you will have to permit me to have drawn a different conclusion. Not all of the criticism is anti-semetic, and I would suggest not the majority on this forum. But I am referring to outside the forum on a lot of occasions as well. 

 

Oh, and for the record, you will find me pushing back on Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination. And in pushing an agenda with only part of the facts (again, I am not asserting yourself, specifically). 

 

And I am sure I, too, submit to confirmation bias.. But at least I will admit it (usually). @Marty_d - I started tooking into the issue wiuth Journalists.. Ironically, finding objective resources seems difficult, but I will get back to it. Again, if II was deficient in the facts I had, I will happily admit I was wrong. No one is perfect, not even me! 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jerry_Atrick