Pauline and Muslims

[facthunter]

She's just a frowning CON Artist existing on the Payment for votes thing. Now that Gina is Funding her she's getting  way ahead of  herself especially since she went to More A Leggo and Met Trump who she worships without Shame. Nev

[red750]

[Marty_d]

Well, gingers don't get much nuttier.

[facthunter]

She might think that ginger Nuts come out of your ginger. Tell her where eggs come from . Wondering WHAT she thinks won't help your sanity. Imagine her going overseas and representing THIS country. People might think we are all like her.?  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

9 hours ago, facthunter said:

Don't pull ONE line out of context and make  a story of it nothing like what I said. IF you don't mind. It's not fair.  Nev

To clear things up, only the first line in my post:

11 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Ahh.. She wishes to be, for her cause..... a martyr.. .A bit like those that are the sibject of her cause. 

Was in response to the bit I quoted. It was intended to convey the irony of the the Pauline  pot calling kettle black type comment. In other words she is mimicking the martydom thing attributed to the subject of her attacks, albeit at a very differrent level (i.e. Pauline is not willing to die for it), 

 

Everything else was in a generic sense of the general discourse aroud  Islamophobia and not in reference to your post. Anbd it was basically to say, there seems to be an argument that defends the bad ideological bit on the basis that others doi it and have done it. My point is that is toxic and divisive, too, as it is pitting one against the other, and if one ideological group has done a little bit less worse than the other, than that is OK, apparently.. None of it is OK, so let's stop saying well, some dickhead from Australia killed 57 Muslims, so the Islamic ideologues who do this are excused, not bad, blah blah blah. They all are bad (ideologists of any type willing to comit atrocities, I am speaking about, not all Muslims... just to be clear). And none should be tolerated nor should there be a "Oh, some whitey did it.. so there" type attitude That was my point. 

 

FWIW, Pauline is a poor man's Nigel Farage.. Rotten to the core and contributes to rather than solves the problem; the difference being Pauline can't really present herself as anything other than that - Farage sadly, is a bit more adept at the PR. Also sadly, it appears, at least until it comes to putting pencil to paper at an election, an increasing number of Australians are following suit. 

 

p.s. I am trying to think of a metaphorical nickname for Pauline.. Maybe I will callher Handson.. as in Hands on it.. as she is a bit of a w@nker. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[willedoo]

Getting the multinationals to pay their fair share of tax is one that would pass the pub test but doesn't cut the mustard in the real world. The two majors don't want to go there as they know a lot of much needed foreign investment would dry up. There's plenty of other countries willing to give them a cheap run for their money.

[Jerry_Atrick]

33 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Well, gingers don't get much nuttier.

Up until HandsOn, I used ot have a thing for redheads and gingers..What was I thinking???!

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, Litespeed said:

Forget the policies, she has consistently voted against her policies when her rich mates make a call.

 

Eg. Penalty rates, voted to abolish them 

 

Health funding for nurses wages-voted against.

 

Self interest is all she believes in.

To be fair, much like many politiciians, because once they get into poower, they realise things are a bit different. However, HandsOn does it better than most, I gues. 

 

I am sure it is not a ploy - at least conceived by HandsOn herself, anyway - that by focusing on these outrageous comments, it does hide scrutiny of a) PHON's policies and b) whether or not the "team" are capable of implementing them. For example, it is great to send inexperienced health professionals to rural areas, but like many professions, unique situatons can't be taught in a text book and require expereince over time (yes, health professionals have anbout a year of full time employment befire they graduate). So in theory, sounds good, but the reality is it could be very bad as they fail to find the most basicdiagnostic signs for some things and suddenly death rates increase. A friend was a junior doc left alone on a ward for a shift and got the doage of some drug mixed up that resulted in a patient dying. Of course, it may be better to have inexperienced health professionals that could prevent run of the mill issues getting out of hand as well.. so it could be a good policy, too; but by her being outrageous and the press focusing on that, there is no scrutiny or debate of her policies, nor questions of implementation (e.g. what happens is mental health of someone working in say, Finke, who has never been to the isolation of the Outback before, becomes depressed, etc.. what to do then; or will there be rotations; or how to assess the skill sets required for different areas). Or even other options, like brealking the AMA hold on quotas and allowing more people who make the academic cut for artifically deflated numbers of places on courses (but then, are there the facilities), and  opening up course numbers specifically for rural based students and subjecting them to the 3 year contract for a place they would normally not get, as well as wiping their fees..

 

I think if the press focused on her policies, it wouldn't take long for the whole party to be found wanting and discredited. 

[willedoo]

I doubt Pauline has much input into their policies they present to the public. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling she has overall viewpoints that are incorporated into policy developed by Malcolm and their advisors.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Agreed. But Pauline would have to be able to talk to them as the leader, right? And she would be found very wanting and leaders are supposed to know enough about their party's policies, right? 

 

Alsoi, once the policies were getting the spotlioght in the press, the professional associations and pressure groups who are impacted by them would start having their say in the press, too.. and you can see where it would go.. Down the toilet very quickly. 

[willedoo]

Everybody knows they'll never govern. The only real issue from an election point of view is how far they will go. The current polling figures would be hard to sustain through to election, but who knows until the time comes. The peak they could probably ever achieve would be a deciding vote in the Senate. The amount of lower seats they could get would probably not matter here or there. I seem to remember reading somewhere that they will be concentrating on trying to pick up seats in state elections. Maybe the thinking there is to get a good solid state base that might help in a federal election. It could be bad news for the coalition as One Nation picks up more preferences from the coalition than the other way around.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

One thing we can't afford to do is include muslims in the crews of the new nuclear submarines.

[Marty_d]

*sigh*

[Jerry_Atrick]

8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

One thing we can't afford to do is include muslims in the crews of the new nuclear submarines.

Complete crap. I can speak with some authoritty that Muslims operate some fairly advanced stuff in the UK military back when I was involved in it over 20 years ago. So far, no issues. 

[old man emu]

31 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Muslims operate some fairly advanced stuff in the UK military

I don't think GON was commenting on technical ability. A smidgeon of racism lurks in his comment.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Agreed.. My point was that they weren't a national security threat or disloyal, which is how I took his post.

 

I can speak from experuience, their seceuroty clearances do a lot of digging around to make sure that is the case. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[red750]

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[Grumpy Old Nasho]

24 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Complete crap. I can speak with some authoritty that Muslims operate some fairly advanced stuff in the UK military back when I was involved in it over 20 years ago. So far, no issues. 

 

 

Yes, until the UK military embarks on another adventure into an Islamic nation ... things change then, the mildest muslim can self-radicalize.

 

And don't forget that British soldier, Lee Rigby, back from Afghanistan, killed and nearly beheaded by 2 muslims on a London street.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/two-muslim-converts-guilty-killing-uk-soldier-lee-rigby-london-flna2D11775017

 

 

A soldier would be well advised not to trust muslims at home or in the battle zone.

 

 

Friendly muslims killed allied troops ....

 

https://www.newsweek.com/afghanistan-green-blue-killings-explained-64561

[Jerry_Atrick]

You do have a point.. There is a fraternity of Muslims that see their "brothers" as vitally important and their loyalty is to their brothers first. Just as if the UK attacked Australia, I couldn't honestly say I would be terribly supportive of the idea as a UK citizen, regardless of the motivation - as I am an Australian by birth and also stilla citizen. My ultimate allegiance would probably be to Australia (unless HaandsOn actually got in.. maybe then I would change). 

 

You have described two people outside the military who converted and then radicalised.. truth is they probably already had a deep seated hatred or some mental helath condition. 

 

The second article is hardly a new phenomena..  and one that is hardly limited to Muslims. Many espionage and ambush operations across all flavours of people do exactly the same thing. The level of due diligence by definition has to be less, and it is the law of numbers. I believe Zelensky had to deal with this sort of tactic in the huighest ranks of the military and security services there. Nary a Muslim in sight. 

 

The security clearances required to operate the big stuff is rigorous and ongoing. It covers all manner of things including a threat assessment that those entrusted would betray that trust.. and if it moves, their position is reviewed. The reason for this is very high profile betrayals by white British establishment figures to both the USSR and, oddly, Iran.

 

You're right - there is a risk that Muslims (or anyone) can betray that trust. You can be your bottom dollar it is monitored closely. 

 

BTW, there were Muslim troops in the UK sent to Afghanistan without too much issue.