It's not easy to understand why the rest of us get blamed for Bondi.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

 

 

7 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Anyone with half a brain hates Trump, thinks Pauline is a joke, and thinks conservative Yanks who only want to travel here to break out society the way they've broken theirs, should stay the hell out.

 

Although I wish Trump were dead, and think it would be a huge benefit to the planet if he were, I would never encourage anyone to act on that wish and I don't think anyone else here would either.

Well that post will test the new amendments in the hate speech law - watch out!

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-23/riverina-principal-to-stand-aside-antisemitism-investigation/106260992

 

The antisemitism law will be tested on this Imam as well, I've read where the law is retrospective.

[old man emu]

All the hoo-ha has been about getting rid of anti-semetism. However, I think that it has promoted anti-Islamism. Which ever way you look at it, it has promoted 'anti the other mob' hysteria. What about all the other ethnic or religious mobs that are not the same as one's own. Will the Protestant -v- Catholic wars start up?

[red750]

It stretches to everyone. Look at the memorials that have been smashed and sprayed with red paint in Victoria, heads cut off statues, anti Australia graffiti splashed over buildings etc in the leadup to Australia Day and Anzac Day.

[facthunter]

Some Places CUT Heads OFF LIVE PEOPLE. America HAS the DEATH Penalty. Just being an atheist gets it in some Countries.. IMHO Atheists GET IT. Many others INVENT it for their OWN Purposes. Like CONTROLLING the POPULACE.  Nev

[onetrack]

There's a lot of angry people out there, spouting foamy-mouthed visceral hatred. The disease starts with extreme right-wingers and Nazis, and goes right through to "Aboriginal activists", to radical Muslims spouting anti-semitism.

 

I trust the new legislation captures them all, not just the anti-semitism promoters. "Aboriginal activists" are amongst some of the worst spouters of racist, foamy-mouthed, visceral hatred.

[facthunter]

They keep telling themselves "WE OWN this JOINT" and "white Fella's Just Muck it up".. What effect does THAT have on their KIDS attitudes to Education, white Mans LAW, AND property?  Nev

[octave]

On 23/01/2026 at 3:46 PM, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

We are always guilty until proven innocent - it's about time that stopped.

I guess it is lucky for you that you don't live in a country where you can be bailed up by thugs who demand you produce proof of citizenship. 

[facthunter]

You get charged when there's sufficient evidence of you Behaviour Being Criminal and likely to win for the Crown in a Court of Law. You have "Your Day in Court" and if you get a lawyer that won't be cheap. You might get costs IF the case brought by the Crown Prosecutor falls apart.. The Ordinary Person cannot afford to go to Court.  Nev

[gareth lacey]

On 24/01/2026 at 7:23 AM, old man emu said:

All the hoo-ha has been about getting rid of anti-semetism. However, I think that it has promoted anti-Islamism. Which ever way you look at it, it has promoted 'anti the other mob' hysteria. What about all the other ethnic or religious mobs that are not the same as one's own. Will the Protestant -v- Catholic wars start up?

Protestant , catholic, budhist,Sikh,Jehovahs, Brethren, dont go around cuitting heads of,raping ,killing babies,mutalating people(mostly Muslims) only the radical muslims do, say what you want but they are worst of them

 

[old man emu]

Just now, gareth lacey said:

Protestant , catholic, budhist,Sikh,Jehovahs, Brethren, dont go around cuitting heads of,raping ,killing babies,mutalating people(mostly Muslims) only the radical muslims do, say what you want but they are worst of them

 

Maybe they are "the worst of them" at teh present time, but go back through history and there are any number of human groups that have done the same things to others in their own eras. Humans are a nasty bit of work.

[pmccarthy]

We can only live in our own times and deal with the evil that exists today.

[Jerry_Atrick]

That is not to say the vast majority of Muslims (or anyone in general) wants to perform the barbaric acts that have been performed in recent times, mainly my Islamic terrorists. 

 

But, to put in into perspective, we must remember, there have been a fair few perpatrators on barbaric killings by non Muslims as well. Every country, every race, every religion has them. An example is here: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/u-marshal-revisits-burial-most-154338909.html

 

It seems more often we read of someone who has been stabbed many 10s if not hundreds of times, burned to death, tortured, etc.. and nary a Muslim in sight. I am sure if I do some research, I will find some non-Islamioc terrorist or oppressive government (e.g. Myanmar?) committing systematic barbarism - sadly they have graduated from hijacking planes. But at the moment, and it may be the media, the perception is most of the terrorist groups are Islamic. .

[facthunter]

Ever heard of the Crusades? Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yes.. And that was over 900 years ago. Since then, there have been many wars in the name of religion, partiularly the Abrahamic ones - in Europe and the Middle-East, at least. 

 

Do any of those justify the same behviour today of the other side? With some exceptions, the global society could move on after WWII at an alarming rate - sometimes within the same generation, but after one or two generations - definitely. But is society not supposed to move on after 1,000 years (and religious wars peretrated by both sides of the Christian/Islam sides since)? 

 

The problems with the "they did it a thousand years ago, so we can't be the pot calling the ketttle black" mentality, particularly of events of around a millenia ago are two fold.. First, it sort of legitimises what is happening today bit and therefore emboldens those who use it to justify their stance to do it. That is never a good thing. Secondly, that legitimising of one side of the hate argument justifies and emboldens the other side of the hate argument as being persecuted for events long gone before they were twinkles in their parent's eyes. And the vicious circle intensifies and society polarises. 

 

Also on that logic, Jews have suffered at the hands of pertrators of religious wars for millenia, too. Therefore, they have many more wars to start before they sqaure the ledger. Do you agree that would be the right thing to do? I don't. 

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

Geez you build a lot on a simple question. Most conflict is over Land ownership and who is entitled to what.  Abrahamic doesn't cover the entire World either. Mostly based on the East Mediterranean and Middle East and except for OIL, wouldn't be THAT Important. Why did Bush attack Iraq Based on a Lie. Hussein had NO WMD's. . Murdoch said at the time. After this WAR is over, Petrol will be ALMOST FREE..  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yeah - I did build a lot on the question.. I could have let it go to the keeper as it is an innocuous comment at the end of the day. But these "simple" questions often (and I am not saying in this case) belie or at least allude to a deeper agenda. 

 

But, the other problem is, society is becoming ever more polarised because of transgressions passed that have no bearing on the people of today (except we are bound to learn from them and improve society). 

 

As a result, we aree seeing an increase in civil violence. None of us were directly involved with the taking of Australia from Aboriginals, and I sympathise with the concept of Invasion day, but rather than using it as a weapon to integrate better, it is being used as a weapon to divide the populations and now you have attempted or hoax bombs being thrown into the demonstations. While there has always been a hard core of Nazis since WWII, sadly, even in Australia, they are managing to attract more and more who were not Nazi sympathisers or hard core, and they are probably no more than disenfranchised with the way things are going, and possibly being sick of labelled eveything from a mysoginist to racial vilifier or some such stuff.

 

Over here, division of society is being sewn from the slave trade over a hundred years ago, ironically when there were no slaves in the UK. Yes, the UK participated in it and yes, they profited from it, but the apologists are now  calling for all sorts of stuff and no one is saying it was actually the UK (or England) that ended African slavery!" So, nowm you are getting more people fed up being labelled something they are not because of previous generations' transgressions, and resentment as well as moving the support base to the dodgier part of town (e.g. the more white supremacist part of town). 

 

 

You try speaking to many younger white males these days. Many are feeling they are victimised because they are protrayed as representing many of them don't represent. 

Edited 14 minutes ago by Jerry_Atrick