Is our 2 party system just a con?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

12 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

The federal government already brought in gun control.

What do you want them to do about this? And how would PHONey do it better?

PHONey wouldn't be woke about it, judges would be instructed to hand down a sentence of 20 years for such a crime. Build new jails to accommodate them.

[onetrack]

The Govts definitely have to crack down on this "Middle Eastern crime gang" activity. It's just a daily occurrence now, to have major shoot-ups and gun murders in SW Sydney. Add to that, they steal and burn luxury vehicles daily - costing us all mega-dollars in increased premiums.

 

If someone steals a car, carries out a major crime, and then burns it, they should get 10 years minimum, and be made to pay the value of the vehicle, plus compensation to the owner for his loss and costs of inconvenience. And the owner often has to carry the cost of increased insurance premiums, because his car was stolen.

 

Car security is a joke today, they can steal any keyless car with code generators that are easily acquired from overseas sellers. Plus, where's the savage penalties for unlicenced firearms (often handguns), used by crims? There's no penalties for additional crimes, the police hit them with one charge, and let the rest drop, because any other sentence would be served concurrently.

The sentences should be cumulative, take the bastards out of society for multiple years, even decades, because they have no interest in living in a safe, law-abiding society, so they have forfeited any chance to live in a safe, law-abiding society.

[willedoo]

It's a fairly simple equation - the easier it is for criminals to get away with it or get off lightly if they're caught, then the more prolific crime will be.

[old man emu]

So. The LNP has intimted that it is willing to form a coalition with ON. Not in an atempt to provide good governance, but for the stated aim of "getting Albo out of The Lodge". I bet that would Make Australia Great Again.

[red750]

10 hours ago, onetrack said:

The sentences should be cumulative, take the bastards out of society for multiple years, even decades

I agree OT, but when I've said that I've been branded too draconian. I have said that if someone breaks into a persons house prepared to take a life, they should be prepared to lose their own. People caught setting properties and vehicles on fire should be set on fire themselves if they like fire so much.

[Marty_d]

55 minutes ago, old man emu said:

So. The LNP has intimted that it is willing to form a coalition with ON. Not in an atempt to provide good governance, but for the stated aim of "getting Albo out of The Lodge". I bet that would Make Australia Great Again.

Yep their new president Tony Abbott is guiding them down the path to true irrelevance. They haven't learnt anything from their electoral failures.

[facthunter]

Abbot, who Lost his Blue ribbon seat to an Independent. His new job is NOT supposed to Involve Policy Making, but that doesn't stop the Mad Monk getting straight into It.  He's also on Rupert's Payroll and RUPEE's show supports Hanson.. What about thinking of the REAL liberal supporters. A top WOMAN figure in the Canberra scene has Just resigned, saying the Party is TOO TOXIC to remain in.. The Party of RG Menzies may well be finished.  Nev

[willedoo]

Time will tell with Tony Abbott. I'm not about to underestimate him. He was an unsuccessful prime minister but a very successful opposition leader. He saw off the Rudd/Gillard show with a handful of three word slogans and it took Labor three terms to get back in the hot seat. His record as opposition leader is of pulling Labor down to a hung parliament in one election and leading the Coalition to a landslide defeat of Labor in the following election. This time around his job is to rebuild the party. Good luck to him with that one, I don't like his chances there, but you never know until it happens one way or the other.

[old man emu]

1 minute ago, willedoo said:

His record as opposition leader is of pulling Labor down

OK. The Party Abbott was fighting was the Labor Party. Just ignore that for a moment as I concentrate on what I want to say.

 

It seems Abbott's sole aim was to gain power. He was elected to provide good governance to the Nation. That was more important than going for Power for Power's sake. He might have got the top job if he had won, but where would that leave the Common people? No better off.

[Marty_d]

One nation can't even manage their own finances - imagine what they'd do to the budget.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jun/11/one-nation-party-financial-reports-returns-fair-trading-ntwnfb

[nomadpete]

1 minute ago, Marty_d said:

One nation can't even manage their own finances -

That's just a comforting distraction.

Compare:

 

Generally people knew DJT was a liar, a cheat, etc... but there he is, at the top. Because people voted for him because they hoped he will drain their swamp and punish the over entitled partys.

 

Generally ON Pauline has a poor record, has trouble keeping party members, and no concrete policy.... but people still vote for her because they hope she will drain their swamp and give the over entitled partys a drumming.

 

Still a problem for us.