Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

[onetrack]

There's another couple (who became victims) who deserve medals, and that's an older couple named Boris and Sophia Gurman. They tackled the father, Sajid Akram, as he started shooting, but failed to overpower him, lost their balance, fell over, and were both shot dead by Akram as a result.

 

Their attempt to disarm Sajid Akram was accidentally captured on the dashcam of a car being driven past, as the terrorists started their rampage.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/16/boris-and-sofia-gurman-identified-as-couple-who-lost-lives-trying-to-stop-bondi-gunmen-as-attack-began-ntwnfb

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:27 AM by onetrack

[Jerry_Atrick]

Any war between Palestinians and Isarelis always brings out the protestors. The call for a ceasfire - by Israel, knowing Hamas and those who preceded it wouldn't engage in a ceasfire. They don't call for an end to the war.. but to kill the Jews and Gas the Jews.. I am sorry, but i am calling it out. Look at the almost rioting in Sydney, the intimidation globally of Jews on campuses.. Don';t see people harassing the Russians, the Syrians, the various Africans, etc..

 

And I am at a loss as to why even far more gross excesses in the region don't even rate a mention. 

 

You can justify it all you want, but the reality it, it is anti-semtism.. A lot of people just don't want a Jewish state... but are more than happy with the other violence in the region to occur with nary another thought. 

[onetrack]

Pauline's got all the answers - just shoot anyone who even looks like a Muslim. Here she is, practicing her Muslim Shoot .... 😞 

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1165135809140514

[rgmwa]

4 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

No excesses in Gaza. Don’t believe the propaganda. 

Looks pretty excessive to me: https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2025/jan/20/devastation-aerial-views-gaza-ceasefire-in-pictures

[pmccarthy]

What Hamas did is no worse than what the Japanese army did in Manchuria and Borneo, or what the Nazis did to the Jews. But once done, you can't fight a war against a segment of society. There were good Germans and good Japanese, but the bombs rained down on them all. There is no other way to fight against evil in wartime. And war is the only way to sanitise the evil. Each society, worldwide, is responsible for the actions of the groups within it.

[Marty_d]

That is such shit.

[facthunter]

And aren't the Perpetrators from INDIA?  Nev

[red750]

Albanese was giving a press conference outlining his visit to the hospitals with the Governor General. I can't believe that, mid speech,  Channel 7 cut in and said, "We'll have to leave the Prime Minister there, the cricket is about to start." This was at 9:30! The cricket didn't start till around 10:30.

[facthunter]

Why do you WATCH CH 7 and not EXPECT such manipulation?  Good on you for calling it. Nev

[rgmwa]

5 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

And war is the only way to sanitise the evil. 

That’s rubbish. 

[rgmwa]

Josh Frydenberg just gave Albo and the government an angry serve on their failure to do enough to counter anti-semitism. Made some very good points and handed him an action plan. I hope Albo’s listening. 

[facthunter]

Why would you Listen to Friedhamburger? His electorate kicked him OUT for throwing hand grenades into Victoria. Kooyong was a Blue ribbon Liberal seat. Nev

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, rgmwa said:

Albo and the government an angry serve on their failure to do enough to counter anti-semitism.

So, the government of a small, multi-ethnic country is going to turn back nearly two thousand year's worth of human behaviour? Some might think tht Albo is a Kvnt, but he's definitiely not Kanute.

[rgmwa]

Because the suggestions he made about what could and should be done to try and prevent another Bondi happening in the future were reasoned and sensible. He was a good treasurer in his time and Albo is a good Prime Minister, but neither have a monopoly on good ideas.

 

[rgmwa]

1 minute ago, old man emu said:

So, the government of a small, multi-ethnic country is going to turn back nearly two thousand year's worth of human behaviour? Some might think tht Albo is a Kvnt, but he's definitiely not Kanute.

Of course not. And I agree.

[facthunter]

IF killing People is the ANSWER, you have the Question WRONG.   Nev

[facthunter]

 Anyhow the Elder assassin Came from Hyderabad which is near the East Coast  of INDIA South of Madras If I remember correctly. It's NOT a Muslim Area. Poorline will no doubt be apologising Profusely.  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Here's a list of Islamic attacks in Australia since 2014. Most of these occurred because of our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, things went quiet after we got out.

 

But now we can add the Bondi attack because Albo said Israel has a right to exist. 

 

 

Numan Haider (Endeavour Hills stabbings (2014)                                          

Mohammad-Hassan Manteghi Borujerdi (Man Monis) (Sydney attack 2014)    

Iranian-born Iraqi-Kurdish (Parramatta shooting 2015)                                 

Ihsas Khan, from Bangladesh (Minto stabbing attack 2016)                           

Two Allahu Akbaring teenagers, (Queanbeyan stabbing attacks 2017)            

Somali-born Islamist Yacqub Khayre, (Brighton siege 2017)                         

Hassan Khalif Shire Ali, from Samalia (Melbourne stabbing attack 2018)         

Mert Ney, Turkish (Sydney stabbing attack 2019)                                       

 

 

NSW Premier was coming up with some common sense this morning when he said protests about foreign problems will not go ahead.

 

So that is a good start but it still won't stop Islamic terrorism. To stop that, we need to rid Australia of all the adversarial imams and members of the muslim community who prefer Sharia Law over our Common law, and any who dislike Jews and our Aussie way of life.

[facthunter]

Just above your Post I pointed out where THIS Bloke Came from. Ivan Milat Had nothing to do with Islam.  People WHO are Here MUST abide by the Laws of THIS country. That's basic anywhere. "Sovereign Citizens" and many religious Nutters and Nazi's don't accept our Laws. What about the whacko's that shot the Cops in Qld and also at Porepunka?. Condemning of the act of  killing People doesn't Make that Person an Anti Semite.  The BIBLE is extremely CLEAR on that. THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Jews Christians and Islam are all based on the  Abrahamic tribes doctrine. Someone saying that THEY are God's CHOSEN People is Bound to cause  friction with others, no Matter who does it.. . Nev

[Marty_d]

3 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Here's a list of Islamic attacks in Australia since 2014. Most of these occurred because of our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, things went quiet after we got out.

 

But now we can add the Bondi attack because Albo said Israel has a right to exist. 

 

 

Numan Haider (Endeavour Hills stabbings (2014)                                          

Mohammad-Hassan Manteghi Borujerdi (Man Monis) (Sydney attack 2014)    

Iranian-born Iraqi-Kurdish (Parramatta shooting 2015)                                 

Ihsas Khan, from Bangladesh (Minto stabbing attack 2016)                           

Two Allahu Akbaring teenagers, (Queanbeyan stabbing attacks 2017)            

Somali-born Islamist Yacqub Khayre, (Brighton siege 2017)                         

Hassan Khalif Shire Ali, from Samalia (Melbourne stabbing attack 2018)         

Mert Ney, Turkish (Sydney stabbing attack 2019)                                       

 

 

NSW Premier was coming up with some common sense this morning when he said protests about foreign problems will not go ahead.

 

So that is a good start but it still won't stop Islamic terrorism. To stop that, we need to rid Australia of all the adversarial imams and members of the muslim community who prefer Sharia Law over our Common law, and any who dislike Jews and our Aussie way of life.

Martin Bryant who killed 35 people at Port Arthur was not a Muslim.

Neither was that, unfortunately Australian, cock sucker who killed 51 innocent people in New Zealand.

Don't be an idiot. Murderous arseholes are not restricted to one culture or religion.

[willedoo]

On 16/12/2025 at 9:22 AM, old man emu said:

I wonder what the load of the .410 was - pellets or soilds. I suppose the autopsies and surgeries will answer that question.

Brass cases, so I'd say solids. They're a 2.5" case so they'd hold a fair bit of powder to push the slug a reasonable distance. I haven't seen all the footage so I don't know if they had a 12G as well, but the bolt action gun the young bloke was firing was a .410 ejecting brass cases

[Jerry_Atrick]

5 hours ago, facthunter said:

 Anyhow the Elder assassin Came from Hyderabad which is near the East Coast  of INDIA South of Madras If I remember correctly. It's NOT a Muslim Area. Poorline will no doubt be apologising Profusely.  Nev

Yes, he did come from Hyerabad. It is well known as the home of Khoja Islamism, which is a form of Shi'ites. It is known as one of the more Muslim populated cities in India; certainly on a per capita basis, at least when I worked there for a few weeks about 15 years ago. There was a Muslim influence on the city in terms of food and culture, but not overtly so as far as I could tell. I can't recall too much in the way of radicalisation or terrorist attacks being disucssed amongst the locals.  I am mentioning this just to correct the record of it not being a Muslim area. 

 

As @Marty_d states, terrorist and mass murder events are not the sole preserves of Islam. The bloke who killed those people in the Mosue in NZ was clearly driven by an ideological hatred, but to borrow from @red750, he may have been sick of the Islamic terrorist attacks in the west and decided to do something about it for revenge. That is clearly nuts, condemantion, and inexcusable, and if anyone deserves the toughest punishment, then he does. But that doesn't mean Israel's actions is a justification for what has been going on for Jews around the world, either. 

 

The Port arthur Massacre and the Hoddle Street massacre; and the myriad of mass murders in the USA show that you don't have to be from Islam to be murderous, but they don't don't seem to be driven by an ideology. They seem to be driven more by some warped mental state. I am guessing they are not driven by an organised programs to radicalise people. One like the video linked below. (I guess one has to be in a warped mental state of some kind in order to be susceptible to radicalisation if you are not from an area intrinsically radicalised already). 

 

Radicalisation is also not limited to Islam. What is worrying is tha far right is mobilisng and radicalising people. Nazism is on the rise in Europe and Australia. Yet, there is little anyone is really doing about it. The video below talks about awful but not unlawful. There is going to be some bloodshed to come, I fear, because the reaction is to react, not to prevent. 

 

How do we prevent without suppressing free speech - which is a fallacy anyway, as people's frustrations vent? Education, surely has to be one of the answers. When I was a kid, anti-semitism was the default position. Everyone seemed to hate Jews. I gues there weren't too many Muslims in the country at the time. Now, there is Islamophobia, which may or may not also be th default positions. Surely educating and proper integration is the key to eliminating barriers to understanding and acceptance, and hopefully losing the hatred. 

 

This vid came into my feed. Yes, it is an Israeli, but the footage he plays seems authentic and his comment about awful and unlawful seems to have a semblance of plausibility.  In the neo-Nazi world, similar calls to action are bieng made as exposed by the Fairfax and Huffpost a few years ago, and we are seeing more and more in public. This is chilling stuff:

 

 

(Note, it is not about Israel - just the Jews, and it echoes I think section 7 of the Hamas Charter). 

 

 

[randomx]

On 16/12/2025 at 10:23 AM, old man emu said:

Perhaps shot by the father????

Hope it wasn't the cops .

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Murderous arseholes are not restricted to one culture or religion.

I didn't say they were, but since the topic is about the attack at Bondi, which we now know was an Islamic attack, I've pointed out how many of these attacks we've had in the past. 

[pmccarthy]

Jerry where were you a child to experience such antisemitism? In country NSW we had the opposite, nothing but sympathy for what had happened in the war. On the bookshelf were those slim green hard bound volumes about the war that most peopl had. One had photos of the concentration camps, skeletal people and open mass graves. I was not supposed to look at it but I did.