Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

[willedoo]

They weren't using rifles; in all the footage there's not one rifle crack. They were using bolt action .410 shotguns, most likely with solid slugs. 

[willedoo]

Which explains why the death toll was so low considering they were shooting for about 15 minutes, compared to what it would have been with rifles. The inaccuracy of the .410 shotgun solid slugs is also a factor in why so many were wounded and not killed.

[onetrack]

Well, they managed to kill 15 people, so that's not exactly a low toll. I can't hear the shooting sounds, my hearing is buggered, but I did see a shotgun shell on the ground, and it looked like a 12 ga, but it was difficult to judge, because there was nothing around it to compare, size for size.

[red750]

Newer information has confirmed that the gunmen were involved in terrorist activities, travelling overseas for training, spending time training before the attack and telling family they were going fishing. According to Tony Burke, they has an ISIS flag in their vehicle. However, they only had single action firearms, not automatics, which kept deaths lower than might otherwise have been. But the father came to Australia in 1987, the son was born here, and they had only been on the periphery of ASIO investigations.

 

 

[red750]

Now, it has been revealed the 44-year-old - previously reported as being a fruit shop owner - has actually run Cigara tobacconist and specialist convenience store in Sutherland, in Sydney's southern suburbs, since 2021. 

 

Mr El-Ahmed is a Muslim who arrived in Australia in 2006 from Syria. He sells gifts, toys, board games, leather bags, and mobile phones and accessories from his shop on Old Princess Highway. 

 

More than 12,000 people have already contributed to a GoFundMe that has been set up by Bondi-Junction based business, Car Hub, to help support Mr El-Ahmed in the wake of the terror attack. 

 

Among the donors is one of the world's richest men, Jewish investment banker Bill Ackman, who has contributed $100,000. He is the CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management. 

[willedoo]

9 hours ago, onetrack said:

Well, they managed to kill 15 people, so that's not exactly a low toll.

onetrack, please read my post and don't take it out of context. I didn't say it was a low toll full stop. I said it was a low toll considering they were shooting for about 15 minutes, compared to what it would have been with rifles.

[red750]

Mr Al-Ahmed was shot in the shoulder and arm while hiding behind a tree shortly after confronting the gunman, and remains in care at St George Hospital. 

 

'He's having multiple surgeries, he's got five gunshot wounds. It's a serious injury – far more serious than has been reported,' his former migration lawyer Sam Issa, who visited him on Monday, told The Australian.

 

'At this stage, he says he has no feeling in his arm. I'm no medical doctor but he said to me that it seems like one of the bullets may have hit a nerve.'

 

Mr Issa says doctors had yet to remove a bullet from the back of Mr Al-Ahmed's shoulder as of Monday night, describing the injury as 'weird'.

 

'Given the fact that he was facing the shooter, how did he get a bullet in the back of his shoulder? It's strange,' Mr Issa said.

 

There are fears that he could lose his arm.

 

'He said he'd do it again,' Mr Issa said.

[willedoo]

One of the videos on X zooms in for a close-up on the younger shooter as he was firing the .410. The way he was holding it and cycling the bolt action, plus the cycling rate looked like he'd done a lot of previous training. He was no amateur shooter.

[old man emu]

I wonder what the load of the .410 was - pellets or soilds. I suppose the autopsies and surgeries will answer that question.

[old man emu]

12 minutes ago, red750 said:

Given the fact that he was facing the shooter, how did he get a bullet in the back of his shoulder? It's strange,'

Perhaps shot by the father????

[willedoo]

I heard on the news the government is going to look at gun laws and one of the things mentioned was restricting firearm licenses to citizens. I can remember after the Monash University shooting in 2002 being surprised that foreign citizens were allowed to hold a firearm license in Australia, with that perpetrator being a foreign national on a student visa. 23 years later we still have a visa holding foreign national with an Australian firearm licence shooting people.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

16 hours ago, old man emu said:

Take GON as an example. No one can deny that his beliefs are the opposite of most of us here. But think about this. He has only expressed his beliefs on this forum recently. Whom anongst us has any knowledge of his behaviour prior to his joining this forum? For all we know, he might rise early next election day and be waiting for the doors of the polling station to open so he can cast a vote for his local Labor candidate. His current postings give no indication that he might be thinking of doing that. The rest of us will expect him to stay at home and not vote in any way. Until election day is over, we will not be certain of what he decides to do.

You can be certain I won't be voting next election, nor any other election, not while ever the ALP and the Coalition rule Australia. You can see now where they are failing.

 

On another message board before this one, I was constantly warning, for years, about the dangers of Islam. I didn't raise the issue in this board because it's not what you blokes talk about. But this Bondi attack didn't surprise me at all, and I'm past sympathizing with victims, they just refused to learn. I am not the only one who's been warning everyone, thousands of other knowledgeable and perceptive people have been warning us also. No one is waking up, how long will it take?

 

What does "root cause" mean?, it's not guns, gun control has been tried. The root cause is the continued belief that not all muslims are terrorists, and that only some are bad. Taking it further, the bad ones are let into Australia along with all the other muslims, some of which become violent sooner or later. They either become involved with ISIS, or the Muslim Brotherhood, and all that they stand for.

 

After each attack, I would say: "Expect more attacks", well, you just saw another one, at Bondi this time. Expect more attacks in the future if we don't get to the root cause and eliminate it completely.

[red750]

2 hours ago, old man emu said:

Perhaps shot by the father????

The father was the one ambushed from behind. The son was shooting from the bridge.

[Marty_d]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You can be certain I won't be voting next election, nor any other election, not while ever the ALP and the Coalition rule Australia. You can see now where they are failing.

 

On another message board before this one, I was constantly warning, for years, about the dangers of Islam. I didn't raise the issue in this board because it's not what you blokes talk about. But this Bondi attack didn't surprise me at all, and I'm past sympathizing with victims, they just refused to learn. I am not the only one who's been warning everyone, thousands of other knowledgeable and perceptive people have been warning us also. No one is waking up, how long will it take?

 

What does "root cause" mean?, it's not guns, gun control has been tried. The root cause is the continued belief that not all muslims are terrorists, and that only some are bad. Taking it further, the bad ones are let into Australia along with all the other muslims, some of which become violent sooner or later. They either become involved with ISIS, or the Muslim Brotherhood, and all that they stand for.

 

After each attack, I would say: "Expect more attacks", well, you just saw another one, at Bondi this time. Expect more attacks in the future if we don't get to the root cause and eliminate it completely.

What about the Muslim bloke who tackled the shooter? Where does this guy, who's shown more heroism than most people in this country, fit into your world view?

[randomx]

18 hours ago, old man emu said:

How long did it take you to attain the skill to hit a bunny at 50 metres? Police recruits come from the general population, and that is a population that has not experience handling nor operating firearms. Also police are only permitted to carry a firearm whilst actually on duty. They don't carry what the Yanks call a backup gun, and almost none would take up shooting as a hobby. That means that the vast majority would not hold firearms licences and be members of shooting clubs to attend ranges to practise regularly. 

 

Would you be able to do it, say in a competition where the prize was $10,000 for hitting the bunny? That would be a pretty good stressor to put you off your aim. It's one thing to become proficient at shooting at a safety range where that training would take place, but quite different shooting to avoid collateral damage in an area where people are running about in panic. The first rule of shooting is that you don't fire into an area where you could hit something that should not be hit.

 

By the way. I think that the video I posted was taken by a member of the public who was in a convenient place to film. It wasn't police video. 

Nah at 100 mtrs emu, 50 wouldn't even be a shot really, and we'd expect a head shot at 100, often wasn't but that's what we'd go at.

Competition nah, not really a shooter a long long time now, but most of my brothers would do shots like that all the time to so l was nothin special and dad, we were all hopeless compared to his shots.

Ofc , but look at them on that bridge, there's nothing just them.

 

But anyway look , l don't mean any disrespect to what this threads about , it's sickening and l won't be going much further here bc of it just sayin though .

As for training man l didn't even shoot that often , my brothers and dad were right into it. My thoughts though , very simple.

Ea cop car has a rifle in it an they usually travel in pairs far as l know so whomevers the best shot is the designated shooter should this sort of thing pop up.

Couldn't see any problem with that sort of a thing and training , ldk , l'd imagine a few mths by a pro and he'd be pretty damn good, a humans a very big target.

But l do know their hands are also tied in much to bc they always talk about it in news clips and hence all the new powers stuff released every now and then you also hear about.

But eh, first to admit l know nothing about the police force, do know above though bc l've heard them talk about it.

Even that knife guy in Melb, from memory he'd already stabbed people and here they are trying to get the knife of  him , wtf , just shoot the moron. Any of this stuff forget courts and nanny rules, just takem down asap far as l'm concerned before they hurt more.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by randomx

[facthunter]

What about the RWNJ's? They are as MAD as anyone. Grumpy should go to the US. There's 330 million Muslims just North of Us.  Does HE want to stir them up?   Nev

[facthunter]

RandomX. You would like it in the USA. They have Just what you want.  Bullets flying everywhere. Nev

[randomx]

33 minutes ago, facthunter said:

RandomX. You would like it in the USA. They have Just what you want.  Bullets flying everywhere. Nev

 

 

Nah l'd hate the place hunter, can't stand anything much US but their gun stuff my God, and the violence goes on, makes me sick to the stomach. One mad mad place , this is why l'm so against the Americanism taking over here- why? who in their right mind would wanna be like the US. One reason l stopped shooting actually, l don't even wanna hurt a rabbit.

ps, l know their Moslem up Nth but gee, l mean l have no idea how it all works but l do know my brothers w is Indonesian and she is the most beautiful soul and w you'd ever meet , so is her family all 50 or so ofem. Beautiful people.

But eh, that's all l know ha ha.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by randomx

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

2 hours ago, Marty_d said:

What about the Muslim bloke who tackled the shooter? Where does this guy, who's shown more heroism than most people in this country, fit into your world view?

Some are saying he's a Maronite Christian. But whatever he is, he wouldn't have known the shooter he tackled was a muslim terrorist. He just saw someone shooting and waited for his chance to pounce on him.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

What about the RWNJ's? They are as MAD as anyone. Grumpy should go to the US. There's 330 million Muslims just North of Us.  Does HE want to stir them up?   Nev

So you reckon 15 deaths and 24 injured wasn't that bad? There's more attacks to come if the root cause isn't dealt with in the meantime.

[randomx]

l honestly still can't believe that happened here, such a stupid sad thing and we're doing something v v wrong in this country the way all this violence is going on.

[facthunter]

This sort of $#!t is happening everywhere mostly worse than Here. Obviously what's happening in Israel has a lot to do with it.. Look at Locked cockpit doors and searches. The whole World has Lost it's Mind. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Agree the world has lost its mind... Don't agree Israel by itself has a lot to do with it.. Mass antisemitism has preceded Israel by many centuries. 

[old man emu]

I think that the current upsurge in anti-semitism has more to do with disgust at the Isreali government's excesses in Gaza and the West Bank. The Common People are now more aware of happenings in other countries than they were even 50 years ago thanks to the Internet. They don't like these excesses and now have more freedom in their own countries to express their disgust. Unfortunatley, this passionate disgust is not being considered by our politicians who are playing in a differnt game. As a result of this unrequited response from politicians, the Common People are acting without considering what their actions result in.

[pmccarthy]

No excesses in Gaza. Don’t believe the propaganda. War is war, particularly urban war. Don’t let the anti Semites win the propaganda war.