Americanism over riding Aus, why don't people care.

[randomx]

Hi , new here but eh, gotta start somewhere right. Something l was reminded of today yet again in just what hope do we have when 1/2 of Aussies don't seem to giva toss, if they're even aware of the Americanism we're allowing here. l feel so strongly about it though and just wish Gov's and people in general had the guts to do something.

l was in another thread about it somewhere and there were at least some Aussies do also feeling very strongly about it but today - on a Radio show , was the last straw.

l can not stand this station or this bloke, can l mention it but it' ? 3aw, Tom Elliot, which unfortunately l'm forced to listen to last few wks when l do feel like some radio bc where l am atm this is the only station l can pick up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[randomx]

Sorry about that , 1st post here, pressed something and it sent off before l finished then wouldn't edit later.

Any rate- so here's this Elliot on national radio, asking an American , if "we" should start having Their Thanks giving - Just what in hell, and he's asking an American.

Next minute he's talking to some expert about the Americanism creeping into our language, especially our young, and neither of these geniuses could figure out why. Ahhhh, well, we're force fed training through the internet bc every other country has a language choice in settings even in English, UK, American, Canadian but press Australian- nothing. Our young are force fed American terms and spelling from

the day they can type and so is everyone else. Our Gov's are so damn useless they can't even manage to fix that so that our young are raised in Australian.

Next minute, he says oh ,maybe we should become the 51ist state - whattttt???? , How did Canada react to that idea , a damn finger to that- AS THEY BLOODY SHOULD , loud and clear. How did Greenland react to it - same again.

Yet here's this fool actually offering his country, our country on a platter.  l wouldn't believe it if l didn't hear it.

 

Next he goes on about our demonstrations and our crime, well. Our demos are nothing, nothing compared to anywhere OS demo's but at least some of our Aussies unlike Elliott are willing to stand up. But the American demos , my God ,wake up man.

But he's oh, we should adopt the American laws - what in hell ???? He even brought up their Floyd demo's but somehow forgets they were destroying cities, public and private property, people were killed and that's in the middle of Covid. Which imo was more o a typical American tantrum actually anyway moreso about the Covid rules.

But crime, wth . again. Yeah l'm disgusted with the way our crimes going here but the American ways, whattttt.

lt's the most dangerous unsafe country in the Western world. Has he even seen their numbers. Oh you have to dig for those it's not even on their news like it is here but you should see the numbers it's mind blowing- yet this fools saying we should blah blah.

 

Well, excuse the rant, especially 1st post.

l hope people hear see what's going on though and l for one just wish Aussies would have a bit of pride in ourselves , our country our Australian-ism and build on and save what culture we do have left . l seem to be one of the few though.

Youknow,the UK are fighting Americanism they hate it, there's even books out about it , but here's us, and it's a sad disgrace if you ask me.

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 11:24 AM by randomx

[onetrack]

Yes, the insidious American culture takeover is everywhere, even the Europeans and the Asian nations get annoyed about how pervasive it is.

Fortunately, I think we still have enough Australians in the general public and Australia politicians who are prepared to say No to any more increased level of American influence.

 

Luckily for us, Trump is doing his best to ensure that American culture is shown up for what it is - violent, self-absorbed, a xenophobic hatred of minorities or anyone who isn't Anglo-Saxon in ancestry, gun-fondlers, and bitterly divisive, politically.

 

Welcome to the forum randomx, I'm sure you'll be able to express your opinion here without the rancor, divisiveness, and hatred that comes with American culture.

I'm personally of the opinion a lot of Americans still bear deep bitterness and hatred against blacks, because they believe they still should be just slaves, and second-class citizens.

 

P.S. - You get 15 mins to edit your posts here, so proof read, or correct them quickly. After that time, they're set in stone. The idea is to keep threads readable, because if people go back after hours and days and many further replies, and then edit their original post, the thread becomes unreadable and disjointed.

 

Edited Friday at 12:29 PM by onetrack

[Marty_d]

If you're listening to a radio personality who's suggesting we become the 51st state, I'd suggest you change the channel.

[red750]

Marty, he said it's the only station he can get down where he lives.

 

I know you can't believe 98% of what you read on Facebook, but even Republican insiders are contemplating the 25th Amendment, and some saying America should become Canada's 11th Province.

[pmccarthy]

Aussie journos are using airplane now not aeroplane.

[Marty_d]

7 hours ago, red750 said:

Marty, he said it's the only station he can get down where he lives.

 

I know you can't believe 98% of what you read on Facebook, but even Republican insiders are contemplating the 25th Amendment, and some saying America should become Canada's 11th Province.

Pretty sure ABC has almost the whole country covered, and if you can get data on your phone you can listen to whatever station you want.

[randomx]

l couldn't agree more onetrack, honestly. Growing up anything Yank/American, was always a bit of a joke but these days in Oz now , 1/2 of us just seem so besotted with anything American. Yet it's blindly to that's one of the really scary parts of it.People don't seem to see past some glitzy image but yet the few things l mentioned and yourself to, are only part of it. The supposedly most advanced country in the world had the worst Covid deaths on the planet, it's common place talk to any American and they'd lost at least a few friends- standard stuff. Their violence/gun culture, homelessness on and on, yet here's this fool and others on that broadcast sayin crap like that, mind blowing.

But yeah , l'm at my cabin for a few wks atm and l use to get plenty of channels atm though, dk what's happened, and nope not even ABC, kinda glad l caught that one though bc it's reminded me yet again man, something needs to be done, we need to wake the hell up in this country.

Thank the Gods to hear then we still have some Pollies actually aware to and thanks for that, just hope there's enough of them to keep the crap going on at bay. You do notice many of them are even actually starting to listen to Pauline these days . love her hate her there are some areas where she def' has huge points on the very things ruining our country as we speak now, yet she's been warning 20yrs. But yeah l know the UK are dead against more Americanism and nice to hear then that other parts are to, wish we'd wake the hell up here, felt the same.

 

Haaa, Canada's 11th state , love it. l love that Carney gave the Yanks and especially Trump the finger, man he was brilliant. And they're still at it Canada's branching trade out into other parts now rather than dealing with Trump and has huge stuff going on.Good on em

 

The spelling thing pm , it drives me crazy . But these days you just thing God almighty what hope is there when yeah, even our reporters don't even seem to know our spelling these days, it makes me sick.

Ass, is one of my pet hates. Growing up it spelt and said the European way, arse- now l know that's not a kind of well urr, word, butttt. To hear and see it spelt ass, even by our young people now , makes me sick. Most don't even know our spelling bc their damn internet just corrects it to ass and there's many others to as you say, there's so much more and you can see it taking over, it's sickening.

lt's like though what hope do we have when our own teachers, pollies , journo's , idiot radio people , can't even straighten it out for their own people. They can't even build an Ausssie spell checker, they probably haven't even thought of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[old man emu]

3 minutes ago, randomx said:

arse- now l know that's not a kind of well urr, word,

G'day randomix. Just to let you know, "arse" is a fine ancient word in English.  Old English ærs "tail, rump," from Proto-Germanic *arsoz (source also of Old Saxon, Old High German, Old Norse ars, Middle Dutch ærs, German Arsch "buttock").

 

Using "ass" to describe an arse is just an example of American misprounciation.

[randomx]

That language thing alone , l mean that is huge. Ours here was a huge part of who we are and even tourists loved trying to wangle the Aussie accent and terms, we were famous for it all over the world and good for us, it was Australian.

Tell you what, l never do stuff like this but l'm even thinking of emailing someone in Canberra and trying to get something done before we're so lost it's too late. Ha , maybe l should email Pauline, maybe her people will build a damn spell checker.

Actually , any ideas about whom l could email about that that might actually help , or maybe someone here a far far better writer than me would like to do it. ldk, on that alone, something has to be done.

Edited Friday at 09:25 PM by randomx

[randomx]

Gday onetrack man, so refreshing. Hey, l reckon it's a damn fine word too and l can not stand the American pronunciation.

Cheers for that.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Hi and welcome to the forums, @randomx.

 

10 hours ago, randomx said:

Ahhhh, well, we're force fed training through the internet bc every other country has a language choice in settings even in English, UK, American, Canadian but press Australian- nothing. Our young are force fed American terms and spelling from

Sorry to spoil the party a bit..  I am not sure what training is forced through the internet. And what training is done through the internet (online) is usually provided by the relevant institution/organisation/company... There isn't some US central course contrent creation machine that provides courses for everyone. No doubt some of the course creation software is American, but I have found all of my Aussie courses in the King's English. Though I do accept, I haven't seen the term budgie smugglers in any of the Aussie online courses I have taken. 

 

As for spell checkers not containing Australian English, here is a screen shot of some of the English proofing languages  from my 2019 version of Microsoft Word (yep - 6 years old now, and I am sure English - Australian was available before that):

 

While I agree that American culture has been disproprtioantely pervasive, I would suggest in Australia it started with the commertical TV networks importing cheap American shows, movies, and even news rather than fund home grown talent. The internet has helped further cement American culture dominance, but the internet is also now helping other cultures to be heard. One of my son's favourite bands is a Tibetan music band; my daughter is playing French artists on her phone as I type. In fact, it is I and my partner that play Amercian music more than them. 

 

But don't worry.. In about 10 years, we'll all be speaking Mandarin anyway. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 10:08 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

Don't EVER listen to 3AW. It will destroy your Mind. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Except for the footy call, of course.. that is just pure comedy

[nomadpete]

Not only 3AW. 

When working, I spent long hours driving in regional and remote places. Sadly, too often the only commercial radio available was the infamous John Laws or Alan Jones. These chaps invariably irritated and annoyed me. I feel their long term (divisive, biased shock jock) influence remains, and might still influence voters.

 

 

 

[old man emu]

I caught myself using the word "guy" recently, and chatised myself for using an Americanism. However, I soon recalled the Gunpowder Plot in which Guy Fawkes was  a key figure in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up British king and Parliament (Nov. 5, 1605). His capture and eventual execution is celebrated every year on the 5th of November. Effigies were paraded through the streets by children on the anniversary of the conspiracy.  I don't know if the fireworks are still used in Britain, but I recall that kids used to go about asking "a penny for the Guy?". 

 

The American use of the word meaning "fellow" appears from 1847. 

[randomx]

1 hour ago, nomadpete said:

Not only 3AW. 

When working, I spent long hours driving in regional and remote places. Sadly, too often the only commercial radio available was the infamous John Laws or Alan Jones. These chaps invariably irritated and annoyed me. I feel their long term (divisive, biased shock jock) influence remains, and might still influence voters.

Same with my work , many a time hrs and hrs driving across state. Could usually get abc or tripple j though so that often saved the day

[old man emu]

Whoops! I forgot to say that the meanig of "guy" as the effigy of Guy Fawkes, dates from 1806 and in 1836 had the meaning "grotesquely or poorly dressed person", which could descibe an effigy made of old clothes.

[randomx]

22 hours ago, facthunter said:

Don't EVER listen to 3AW. It will destroy your Mind. Nev

Ha, l can not believe people take this guy seriously, he's like some parrot with verbal diarrhea just spews out all his so called facts and dates and dribble from over 100yrs as if he has some kind of intelligence. Soon as some caller disagrees they just disappear . Ha, they prob pay hm a mill a yr.

[randomx]

On 29/11/2025 at 9:06 AM, Jerry_Atrick said:

While I agree that American culture has been disproprtioantely pervasive, I would suggest in Australia it started with the commertical TV networks importing cheap American shows, movies, and even news rather than fund home grown talent. The internet has helped further cement American culture dominance, but the internet is also now helping other cultures to be heard. One of my son's favourite bands is a Tibetan music band; my daughter is playing French artists on her phone as I type. In fact, it is I and my partner that play Amercian music more than them. 

Yeah for sure, it's like what hope do our young and country have now with the blind twats we have running this place. Force fed Yank tv from birth, music , ways, and now the net just icing the cake. They're a bit protective of all this through Europe and UK and other parts too but with our useless lot, just scary.

Nice to hear your kids are a little alternative, my d is too thk God.

Edited 3 hours ago by randomx

[randomx]

40 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Whoops! I forgot to say that the meanig of "guy" as the effigy of Guy Fawkes, dates from 1806 and in 1836 had the meaning "grotesquely or poorly dressed person", which could descibe an effigy made of old clothes.

Well that's not very nice then is it , luckily we're all clueless right.

[randomx]

2 hours ago, nomadpete said:

These chaps invariably irritated and annoyed me. I feel their long term (divisive, biased shock jock) influence remains, and might still influence voters.

ps, yep , spot on , exactly. l've wondered are they actually working for the pollies or something to, pushing their zero minded garbage onto their population.

Edited 3 hours ago by randomx

[old man emu]

20 minutes ago, randomx said:

Well that's not very nice then is it , luckily we're all clueless right.

Dear Newcomer,

Members of this forum have personalities that others recognise after having been on the forum for several years. In my case, I often post items about the etymology of words that pop up in posts. Those items could be classed as trivia, but exposure to them increases the general knowledge of members, thereby diminishing cluelessness. 

 

Also, since the proliferation of AI generated stuff being posted on forums like ours, we have become pretty adept at spotting it. I am happy to say that your posts show all the indicators of posts generated by a human. That's why you have been welcomed. Just sit back for a while and observe the personalities of other members before making comments about a member's post that could be taken as not nice.

[Jerry_Atrick]

28 minutes ago, randomx said:

Yeah for sure, it's like what hope do our young and country have now with the blind twats we have running this place.

Are we talking in general, or simply the continued infusion of what has been a dominant global culture over many decades? If in general, the current "lot" seem to be heel bent in providing far more hope across the population than the previous. In terms of infusion of culture - well you could argue they have started to apply some of the brakes with the under 16 social media laws - albeit unintentionally as they are more intended to stop harmful content reaching the under 16s. In addition, the current lot recently passed the Communications Legislation Amendment (Australian Content Requirement for Subscription Video On Demand (Streaming) Services) Bill 2025, into law, requiring streaming services in Australia to invest at least 10% of their Aussie revenue into local content productions. What looks like to be your favoured party, One Nation doesn't appear to consider a media policy and imporant issue according to its own website: https://qld.onenation.org.au/issues. 

 

Their education policy mentioned nothing on it - in fact it worries me.. At a time when we are realising that the original Victorian times teaching curricula is not quite fit for purpose anymore, they seem to want to go back to it.. Hmm... 

 

38 minutes ago, randomx said:

Force fed Yank tv from birth, music , ways, and now the net just icing the cake. They're a bit protective of all this through Europe and UK and other parts too

Er.. yes.,. force fed US TV inb Australia is a problem.. but that is the free market working for you. Australiam, as an English speaking nation with not much real investment in the media and arts have leveraged a lot of international English speaking content. In the old days, as I recall, it was pedominantly English, with lots of great comedies, dramas, and the like. It transitioned to American TV thaks to its lower price point. It is not the roles of the government to interfere with private market decisions, except to set broad standards. This lot has taken the first step to do that.. it has notbeen on the policy agenda of any other lot that I can see nor remember. 

 

But, even when local content is provided, is it local content? A lot of Aussie game shows are actually licensed from either the US or the UK. Remember Sale of the Century, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, Big Brother, and a whole lot more. All foreign shows, produced locally. Lots of royalties flow back to their foreign conceivers. I suppose, though, at least they are produced with a distinctive Aussie flavour. The term "Lock it in".. used in who wants to be a millionaire in Australia was not a feature used in the original UK production. Another example, was something like Late Night with Steve Vizard. He openly admitted be copied the David Letterman show format, but abruptly quit when I think it was channel 9 decided to syndicate the David Letterman show. Why, FFS! Yeah - we know the context of what was on the Letterman show, but I would have far preferred to watch Vizard (before his contraversies became public), as it was local - stuff you will never see in the Letterman show. 

 

The UK has very similar laws to us.. the difference is by the time the US went global with its productions, the UK was already well advanced of Australia in its media landscape, particularly with content production. In addition, the UK tastes are not the bland pin up model acrtors/actresses with preedicatable plots, comedy that has to be explained to its audience as part of the show, and has a edginess and intelligence that US productions lack to this day. Something like CSI Miami would never survive here.. when I first saw it when I returned to Aus way back in 2003, my response was, "huh" The same over dramatic acting in the same plot every errk, and people watch this.???" We mainly watched ABC and got Foxtel to watch the UK channels. The rest of Europe are not native English speaking, and except for movies and the odd show dubbed in their local tongue, it sort of makes sense for them to make their own productions in their own language. But. likle Australia, many of their local productions are licensed from the UK or mainly the US. Or, like the Vizard show, they copy the forrmat. 

 

A firend of mine who lives in Brisbane calls Australia, Ausmerica. When people ask me what Australia is like, I say think of America, with better health and education, but no guns. But, I think both are unfair. We seem to have picked a lot of the advantages, but ny and large pased up most of the more extreme disadvantages. We have picked up many of the disadvantages, but I think that os more from the way the Aussie government works than what has been imported from America. Its just both the Aussie and American systems derive largely (except for Louisianna) commonwealth system. And there are forces in society that seek to manipulate it to their advantage. And I am sorry to say, none of the major and only one of the minor parties are willing to proffer real policy changes to address that. And One Nation is not that one minor party.

 

But good luck getting Pauline to take up your cause.. You may well get some hot air on it, but policy? I doubt it.

 

 

 

 

[facthunter]

I think it's a Storm in a teacup, Old Chap. We don't have to fear an Exodus TO the USA.  Nev