onetrack Posted July 18 Posted July 18 I was under the impression tricycle-based vehicles were reasonably stable. I used to own a couple of tricycle Honda 185cc off-roaders (ATV's), they were quite good, but if you did stupid things with them, of course they would tip over, and turf you off. I never ever had a problem riding them, and I rode them extensively. I didn't go over about 70kmh with them, although they would do over 80kmh. But of course, a few idiots did stupid things on them, ended up being thrown off and injured, and even killed - so the authorities banned them, in another fit of equal stupidity. Of course, cunning, ambulance-chasing lawyers did their bit to get them banned, too. All I can think of with the Honda is the lack of protection from heavy highway vehicles. Roadtrains - in fact, even just many single trailer semi's, create huge levels of wind deflection - and they throw up road debris, rocks and sand - and they often lose parts of the load, or bolts from trailers, or even gluts and tie-downs of various types. I regularly see ratchet straps on the highways, that have fallen off. One of them mixed up with a motorcycle-based rig wouldn't be fun. And finally of course, following a semi in rainy conditions on a motorcycle-based rig is nothing less than highly dangerous. You'd certainly need to pick your riding conditions, and be extra alert at all times. 1
spacesailor Posted July 18 Posted July 18 My daughter in Dubbo has had a great time riding 'quads ' . Her youngest son got second in His motorcycle race . So enjoying riding different types . Also still repairing Harley Davison bikes . & still works at the motorbike shop . spacesailor 1 1
Litespeed Posted July 18 Posted July 18 That trike is ugly and unsafe. If the front has two wheels trikes are much safer. The Honda trikes maimed and killed a generation, they are inherently unstable at speed our on rough uneven ground. You have to ride them like a dirt track racer for stability, a skill far exceeding most riders esp kids. It was smart policy banning them, like giving kids a loaded gun to play with. The Yella terra Goldwing is much safer as a motorbike. As a trike you are wide as a car but the front wheel cops every pothole the rears escape. The worst bits of a bike and car combined. 1 1
spacesailor Posted July 18 Posted July 18 A four wheel trike is a quad bike & just as dangerous!. Lots of farm hands were lost to those quads . And ny daughter is having a great time on them . I am certainly not going to watch. spacesailor 1 1
facthunter Posted July 18 Posted July 18 You have to know how to drop a Bike and keep it in Front of you.. A very low centre of gravity is essential for something with more than 2 wheels to give it any real degree of safety when cornering hard.. Nev 1
onetrack Posted July 18 Posted July 18 As the old saying goes, Spacey - "It's all good fun, until someone gets hurt!" 1
facthunter Posted July 18 Posted July 18 I can't even WATCH competitive quad bike racing. Too much LUCK required to stay alive and I reckon you are DEAD for a long time. Nev 1
red750 Posted July 20 Author Posted July 20 Late night work on the Suburban Rail Loop are going to create a lot of disturbance for residents, but the government has given them compensation - a tin of biscuits and a couple of packets of tea. Now they can sleep in peace. 1
facthunter Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Do you want all this work to stop? Cities are noisy the world over. Nev 1
red750 Posted July 21 Author Posted July 21 A man went to a shopping centre in Melourne's western suburbs and was attacked by a group of youths who wanted his phone. They chopped off his hand with a machete. In another shopping centre, a teenager was attacked and stabbed. Nev's favorite premier, Jacinta Allen, says she can't introduce laws making the carrying of sharp instruments a crime until September. How many more have to loose limbs, or life? Meanwhile child molesterers are working in childcare centres. Welcome to Victoria. 1
octave Posted July 21 Posted July 21 Red these crimes, of course are dreadful. Where I take issue is that you seem to believe that Victoria has more violent crime than other states. There is crime in all Australian states. I am not suggesting that the current government bears no responsibility for crime, but it did not start when this government was first elected. In terms of overall crime rates, New South Wales has the highest number of reported crimes. However, when considering crime rates relative to population, the Northern Territory has the highest per capita crime rate. Victoria has also been cited as having a high rate of violent crime, particularly in relation to homicides. 1
nomadpete Posted July 21 Posted July 21 My take on the rise of knife/machete crime..... This should be expected in a country ehere we have relatively stringent gun control. There have always been violent offenders. When guns are (a little) harder to obtain, knives are the next choice. Also, dare I say the trend of our changing immigration sources, creates a higher percentage of people coming from regions where knive crime is more common. No, I am not suggesting that every migrant is a violent machete weilding criminal. Just that there will always be a dangerous minority in any group. When I was young, most migrants came from western europe and their greatest wish was to integrate as 'new Australians '. Sure, even then, there was a minority of mafia (etc) that arrived too. And of course we always had 'home grown' crims, as well. Of course, the media avoids publishing ethnicity of offenders, so I am making a generalisation. But I am not the least surprised by a slight but highly publicised uptick in knife attacks. At least a knife can only attack one person at a time. Unlike a gun. Doesn't make it ok but at least it's not as bad, overall. 2
old man emu Posted July 21 Posted July 21 We tend to forget that there was an era in both Britain and Australia when the weapon of choice for criminals was the cut-throat razor. After handguns were criminalised in New South Wales, razors became the weapon of choice amongst Sydney gangsters. Shortly after the Pistol Licensing Act 1927 was passed, a visiting sailor used a cut-throat razor to defend himself from attackers. As a result, razors became a default weapon due to its ease of purchase from barbers shops for a few pence, its ease of concealment (hidden inside a piece of cork), and its use as an instrument of intimidation. The idea also caught on in Melbourne and Brisbane about the same time. In the 1929 wars between the gangs associated with Tilly Devine and Kate Leigh, mainly over the control of drug distribution, razors were often used. From 1930 laws were passed that eased the gang wars and made the carrying of a cut-throat razor, without reasonable excuse, punishable by a term of imprisonment of 6 months. 1 2
facthunter Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Lay off it Red. I doubt I've ever mentioned Jacinda Allen's Name till now. Why don't you stick to facts then you won't hear a word from me? . Your favourite Bloke was voted out by Your Electorate. Dutton lost HIS seat and the election Libs in Vic are divided down the Middle, fighting and unelectable. Nev
Jerry_Atrick Posted July 22 Posted July 22 22 hours ago, nomadpete said: My take on the rise of knife/machete crime..... This should be expected in a country ehere we have relatively stringent gun control. There have always been violent offenders. When guns are (a little) harder to obtain, knives are the next choice. Also, dare I say the trend of our changing immigration sources, creates a higher percentage of people coming from regions where knive crime is more common. No, I am not suggesting that every migrant is a violent machete weilding criminal. Just that there will always be a dangerous minority in any group. When I was young, most migrants came from western europe and their greatest wish was to integrate as 'new Australians '. Sure, even then, there was a minority of mafia (etc) that arrived too. And of course we always had 'home grown' crims, as well. Of course, the media avoids publishing ethnicity of offenders, so I am making a generalisation. But I am not the least surprised by a slight but highly publicised uptick in knife attacks. At least a knife can only attack one person at a time. Unlike a gun. Doesn't make it ok but at least it's not as bad, overall. Hits the nail on the head.. The UK has as tough if not tougher gun laws as Aus and knife crime is rife. But when I arrived here, it wasn't that bad. What happened? Well a couple of things.. Could blame it somewhat on the migrants,but it is, according to the press and as I understand, police stats, mainly African descendants. I haven't done the research, but as I understand they are mainly youths and early adults, and at least born here, if not their parents. Of course, this does not mean that others don't commit knife crime nor is every African descended kid is an assailant. But, it's only anecdotal, but I have wondered why these communities don't ascend the socioeconomic ladder. And with possibly many generations of living in relatively lower socioeconomic environments, it may be that they perceive in order to get out of it, they have to resort to gangs (of which a lot of knife crime i apparently linked).. and those gangs are often involved in drug trafficking and other semi-organised criminal activity. Add to the mix the likelihood they consume the said substances, it is a recipe for disaster.. From what I have seen, which is very little, they are society's forgotten people. Eventually, something has to give. 1
nomadpete Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Only a single example in a complex social issue, but here goes.... Some years back, there was a significant number of tall dark, elegant folk arrived in town. Possibly from Ghana but thet doesn't matter. Generally nice people who were glad to escape a bad place. My friend ran the local gun shop. A tall dark chap came in and after looking around, asked in broken english "You sell guns?" "Yeah, we are a gun shop." "Sell me AK47...please." "Sorry, I can't sell you one of those." (He didn't have them anyway). "Sell me something smaller?" "No, I am not selling you any guns. Not allowed." "Sell me knife, then? They call me names. Not fair. I make it right." I suspect that process happens a bit. As well as other individuals with criminal intent trying to avoid harsher penalties when caught with weapons. And OME your example was before my time, but I suspect that handguns were not so easily obtained back then. Besides, if you want to be sure of killing anyone with a pistol, you nearly have to be close enough to stab them. And guns make too much noise. 2
spacesailor Posted July 23 Posted July 23 The " gun clubs " still have " pistol " firing-range's . We're else would civilian security personnel get their tickets . Certainly , no help from the police . spacesailor
old man emu Posted July 23 Posted July 23 46 minutes ago, facthunter said: The Police seem to shoot their fair share of People. nev The frequency with which our police are currently resorting to deadly force with handguns makes me embarrassed to have it known that policing was my career. Too many people are being shot, or shot at, that it makes me think that police nowadays are not getting trained to use other non-lethal methods to effect arrests. I remember having to learn by rote the conditins underwhich a firearm could be used. 1 1
nomadpete Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, facthunter said: The Police seem to shoot their fair share of People. nev In recent times, I agree. Worse still there seems to be some cases where police use a gun (or taser) on an unarmed person. 2 1
Jerry_Atrick Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Whilst I respect police and the hard job they have.. there are times one wonders about some of those apples.. with or without guns: https://youtu.be/rUOoRiI8HVU?si=Ize7lO0RHpwcsxgo This was a rather infamous accident, but I can't help but think American culture is over exported. At least the UK police are generally unarmed (or without firearms) 1
spacesailor Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Our local supermarket had ' armed security ' untill someone actually fired his ( male ) pistol. Like a limp cracker , possibly a 22 calibre. No big bang to make us ' shake in our boot's. Just a quiet crack ! , so the thief kept running . Then, the police arrived and promptly arrested the security officer. spacesailor 2
Marty_d Posted July 23 Posted July 23 2 hours ago, spacesailor said: Our local supermarket had ' armed security ' untill someone actually fired his ( male ) pistol. Like a limp cracker , possibly a 22 calibre. No big bang to make us ' shake in our boot's. Just a quiet crack ! , so the thief kept running . Then, the police arrived and promptly arrested the security officer. spacesailor Guns have gender? 1
facthunter Posted July 24 Posted July 24 People carry guns to substitute for their small member, Low intellect and fat Guts. Nev 1
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