What has Trump done now?

[Siso]

31 minutes ago, facthunter said:

 The Powers already invested in fossil  (and Nuclear Hopes) don't want solar, wind and Batteries that will free us from the Centralised near total monopoly they currently enjoy and exploit  to the full. WARS are Fought over Oil . The sooner it Becomes Less Necessary the Better. To Only Burn it for energy is sacrilege.  Nev

It will free us from industry, we don't even make intermittent generators here.

[facthunter]

YOU cast a Vote Nobody gets to see till it's counted, That's What I am referring to. How do you think GM run their Board meeting No different I would think. Many will Have a secret vote IF requested.  Minutes are retained of all Meetings. Nev

[Kyle Communications]

9 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

What do you call a democracy then? Labour got in with an overwhelming majority and the largest part of the primary vote. Our preferential system is flawed in that your vote may end up going to some party you do not want so you put it down the list. You may not even want the second or subsequent on your list but that's the way the system works. Not only that but the voting paper for the senate is ridiculously long, plus handing out how to vote cards on election day is almost coercion.

 

I have had a foot in both NZ & Australia since the 70s. My wife is born here & lived there for 25 years. I was born there & owned property here for 20 years before we moved when I took redundancy in 2005.

 

NZ used to have first past the post like many other countries & the UK still does. When you have a majority without needing to call on other parties or independents you can get things done easily. The NZ system is far superior in my opinion & it was the result of a national referendum. Mixed member proportional is that 50% of MPs are elected by your primary vote & the other 50% based on the percentage of votes that party got nationally. You have 2 votes, 1 for your MP & one for the party of choice. Often people vote for an MP from a party they don't like but like the person they voted for so they have a bob each way. Political advertising and hoardings are banned on election day. Voting is simple & there is no upper house. 

 

Whatever government is in power will not suit everyone for whatever reason. In my opinion the worst governments we have had since i have live here were John Howards last, Tony Abbotts and Happy Clapper Morrisons.

 

NZ,s electricity supply has been around 80-85% renewable for many years given the abundance of available hydro, geothermal & wind. Solar is now making large inroads & the plan is to have 100% renewable electricity by 2030.

 

Nuclear does not produce emissions but the cost is eye watering, the time frame ridiculously long, the waste extremely dangerous, & no-one want a nuclear power plant in their locality.

You are right. The pref system here is very flawed

Everyone I spoke to in NZ and that being the people I know and a lot that I didnt know and was just talking to all said they were so glad to see the back of Jacinta Ardern. She now lives in Melbourne. I said we will send her back and they all said no thanks we couldnt wait to see the back end of her. Albo probably has her on speed dial

This is why they got in because the majority of the population vote with the handout sheets at the polls. They dont know how the system works or have any idea how it works not to mention at more than 2,600,000 work for the government. Are you going to get rid of the government that hired you and pays your wages?

There are over 5.3 million people on govt income support payments this does include 2.671 million on the old age pension.

There is 65 to 75% of the population live in the cities the rest is rural or remote. Thats a pretty big voter base. Where did all of labors seats come from...not the rural areas thats for sure. I wonder why that is?..The majority on benefits are in the cities of course.

Thats a pretty big chunck of the population who want to keep the handout coming.

 

 

 

[Siso]

Often thought that the "how to vote" cards should carry a message that to vote for you first preference, you don't have to follow this card or something similar- and big enough so you can read it. 

[kgwilson]

I think they should be banned & all political advertising taken down on election day.

 

I was in NZ for a wedding last month & there were differing opinions of Jacinda Adern. She won a landslide victory in her second term but had become a victim of the very left and resigned early. She handled the Christchurch massacre and Covid very well and became well known around the world. She was a great leader when NZ needed one. The current PM is not a leader at all & the NZ economy is not doing well. Of course it is all Jacindas fault.

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[octave]

1 minute ago, kgwilson said:

I think they should be banned & all political advertising taken down on election day.

Yes, totally agree.  For the last 30 or so years, I have refused how-to-vote cards.  Prior to this, I would take a how-to vote card from every party in order to not to signal my voting intentions. These days, my wife and I look at how to vote information online prior to voting. We don't necessarily vote identically, but we do walk in with enough information.  Often, we don't follow any particular party's advice, but we try to vote strategically

[Kyle Communications]

I have always voted with consideration of where preferences go. I am very careful with them. Most people and I would say 80% are just sheep and follow the handouts. Never thinking about the power they can actually wield.

 

 

[octave]

13 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

Most people and I would say 80% are just sheep and follow the handouts.

 

A large percentage of people these days vote by mail, so I suppose it is more about what comes through their letterbox.

13 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

Never thinking about the power they can actually wield.

 

I am not sure, really, how much difference, at least in the short term, a government makes.  Inflation at the moment is present in countries with governments of all flavours.  Interest rates are not usually high in one country and low in another.   In Australia, some people are complaining about Albanese, and in NZ, the conservative PM Luxon is rather unpopular.

 

If one were to fall into a coma and wake up several years down the track, I don't think it would be immediately obvious who was in government.  

 

I first became conscious of politics in the early 70s. By my reckoning, this is my 12th PM.   My economic state has not fluctuated wildly with each change of PM 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[facthunter]

  Most Pollies feel the Voters get it Pretty right and Look to the  ways they can Improve the situation. for them next time. Liberal at the Moment are facing an existential Crisis they are having great difficulty Coping with. This didn't happen overnight. It definitely goes Back to Howard with his Overemphasis on houses as an investment above all Others followed by a succession of Marginally Picked PMs wit dubious talent who Hated Turnbull with a Passion and the Finally our Man of religion Sco MO who wanted to deliver the Country to the  Pentecostal Church and Became the PM No one wanted to speak about because He made so many embarrassing gaffes about women and other Issues where  He was far from Comfortable. Liberal has of late been no Place for Women. Now Low in Numbers and depleted of talent they have an enormous  task ahead to remake themselves.  Nev

[facthunter]

" They are BOTH the same" Pops up when Libs Muck up. IF you think they are BOTH the same you're Making it too simple. Lib/Nats work for the already well Off which is SMART because it Pays to .They alone can show their gratitude in a tangible but out of the spotlight way. Favours,  Look Hard and it will be found Apres Parliament job s Jobs and scholarships for Siblings. Discount Holidays. He who Pays the Piper calls the tune. IN that game it's NOT what you Know but WHO you Know.. Trump is a Master at Making Money out of being the President. Nev