Albo to the rescue

[nomadpete]

7 minutes ago, facthunter said:

What have they done with EVERYTHING? SELL it cheaper than anyone Else can? Nev

Not really. 

They play business with long term goals, not short term profit. The asian mindset is that business is like war.

 

They act for the long term good of china, which does not always mean selling stuff.

[facthunter]

Care to share some examples?  ALL countries don't share Military based technology. The ASIAN mind (if such a thing is exclusive) is Trading for Profit and they work Hard.  Nev

[Siso]

Can you list problems with nuclear that are not political or public perception, not Chernobyl or Fukushima

[pmccarthy]

In 70 years and with a total of 667 nuclear power plants that have ever operated, only three major accidents have taken place. Using the official internationally-recognized death statistics for Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima, the combined loss of lives from the three major nuclear accidents is 32 people. In fact, estimates on the number of deaths caused by the nuclear energy sector overall is 90 per 1000TWh—the least of any energy sector.

[facthunter]

Decommissioning and safe waste disposal and COST,  Can't be ramped up and down  easily, security in war and is Centralised and needs cooling. Anyone can check these things IF they really want to.  Nev

[onetrack]

The true cost of nuclear power is well hidden, though, and it can't be measured just by accidents, and lives lost in those nuclear accidents. The true cost has to involve the total cost of nuclear waste, and the clean-up costs for those accidents mentioned - and for any potential future accidents. Too many areas selected for nuclear power plants are earthquake-prone.

 

And I can't believe it's only 32 deaths in total - hundreds died from radioactivity exposure during the Chernobyl cleanup, the Russians are good at hiding casualties, they just bury them with falsified records, or non-existent records.

[Siso]

Decommissioning cost can be added to the electricity cost, part of a cent/kW. I believe this is how it is done in the US. Newer nuclear plants are built with decommissioning in mind. The spent fuel is no more hazardous than many other chemicals that we use that are dangerous forever, just gets a lot more publicity. The nasty stuff decays in 300 or 500 years depending who you ask. Most of the rest can be recycled and reused-France. Pretty well all can be used if fast reactors become main stream. It was found that the waste products in the natural reactor in Oklo Gambon didn't migrate far from the reactor. (energyprof -youtube.) Nuclear can be ramped up and down. Frances reactors do this pretty well every day. Traditionally it wasn't a priority in the design as they just ran flat out. There are newer reactors that have this in mind and are being usd to heat a salt like the coal plant does in Ireland with pumped hydro. The generator runs flat out, fills the dam at night and then get extra capacity. New design of reactor, some of which have been built have passive cooling. The whole war thing is the only thing I have reservations about. France exporting about 12GWs at the moment 2.16 into industrial basket case Germany. Unfortunately Australia has no France or Sweden. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR/72h/hourly

[facthunter]

France has Probably done it better than anybody. Nev

[pmccarthy]

Many natural elements such as arsenic are poisonous forever and have no half-life. Thousands, perhaps millions of tonnes of arsenic are produced every year in processing ores of copper and gold alone. It is safely managed and disposed of.

[facthunter]

Radioactivity works differently as you well Know. Arsenic is NOT managed  safely, Really. Nev