old man emu Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Before you go off on a tangent, I'm not espousing the anti-Semitism contained in Volume 1 of this two volume work. I'm looking at the political and economic philosophy presented in Volume 2 Mein Kampf Vol 2 outlines Hitler's political ideology and future plans for Germany. Much of this deals with returning Germany to its pre-WWI economic and political position on the world stage. Mein Kampf, in essence, lays out the ideological program Hitler established for the German revolution, by identifying the Jews and "Bolsheviks" as racially and ideologically inferior and threatening, and "Aryans" and National Socialists as racially superior and politically progressive. Hitler's revolutionary goals included expulsion of the Jews from Greater Germany and the unification of German peoples into one Greater Germany. Hitler desired to restore German lands to their greatest historical extent, real or imagined. Leave out the anti-Semitism and racial superiority and the book expresses Hitler's political and economic aims. It has been suggested that Mein Kampf can be seen as one of several books that resulted from the crisis of German culture following Germany's defeat in World War I, and the effects of the harsh conditions of surrender and reparation imposed mainly by the French. So, is it in the same boat as the writings of Lenin? Is it in the same boat as the economic-political theories of Adam SMITH, John Maynard Keynes, John Stuart Mill, or Friedrich Engels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, old man emu said: ...Hitler's revolutionary goals included expulsion of the Jews from Greater Germany and the unification of German peoples into one Greater Germany. Hitler desired to restore German lands to their greatest historical extent, real or imagined... The bit quoted above is very similar to the stated aims of another political movement, which produced this map: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Now we have !, Hitler's Dream, a united Europe. And NO vaccine for their enemy Australia. spacesailor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I reckon Hitler suffered from a lack of education. And this was partly from lack of family money. Now I would be the first to make them pay tax, but I have observed that born-rich people are not as nasty as born-poor. If you compare WW2 leaders, Hitler and Stalin were much worse than say Churchill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Bruce Tuncks said: If you compare WW2 leaders, Hitler and Stalin were much worse than say Churchill Adolf and Joe were very similar in their exercise of power. They were both dictators in totalitarian governments. No one dared say "No" to them. Churchill and Roosevelt on the other hand were leaders of free-will governments. They both faced being deposed at the will of the people. In fact, Churchill was, and Roosevelt had introduced the two-term rule, although his Vice-president did win the next election after the war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 The major differences between Churchill, Stalin and Hitler, is that Churchill wasn't prepared to use criminality to further his power - whereas Stalin and Hitler were absolutely ruthless in utilising criminality, mass murder of opponents, and any other totally immoral technique, to garner more and more power over their populations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 4 hours ago, onetrack said: Churchill wasn't prepared to use criminality to further his power Churchill and Roosevelt operated in a system that would not allow the use of cruelty. They were both products of an ancient political culture, whereas Hitler and Stalin were overthrowers of ancient cultures. Someone will soon pop up with the statement that while Churchill and Roosevelt didn't do these things to their own people, they weren't averse to turning a blind eye to their people doing it to others in the name of colonialism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) I like onetrack's statement about how churchill wasn't prepared to use criminality . Why would you if you were born rich? ' Edited March 7, 2021 by Bruce Tuncks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Interesting angle there, Bruce. But I'm not so sure about Churchill being rich. He certainly wasn't born into great wealth, although it appeared that way, as he was born into aristocracy. However, his parents were spendthrifts, and Winston Churchill inherited their undesirable traits, in the same manner. Winston Churchill hovered around bankruptcy during the largest part of his life - simply because he obviously had no money-management skills. But writing saved him, and writing his memoirs after WW2 saved him most of all, and he ended up with an estate valued at £7M when he died. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/01/why-winston-churchill-was-so-bad-with-money/419094/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 There's the criminality of the Rich and the criminality of the Poor. They are differentiated by the amount of dirt you get on your own hands 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I reckon Hitler's book should be read, along with balancing stuff. Burning books was one of the dreadful atrocities the Nazis did and we must not follow them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 I think that to get some background on Nazism, Volume 2 should be the one that is studied as it is more to do with the philosophy and plans to implement that philosophy. After 75 years I think we have all agreed that the procedures followed are to be abhorred, but as a document in history, it should stand alongside the Russian Communist Party Manifesto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Bruce The iliterate of this & other countries have No use for Any books. Can,t get a job !. Can,t get a driving licence !. Can,t afford Any books at any cost !. Drink, Drugs, Gamble, & Smokes, day to day life, no hope nor future. AND lots of kids, ( ten or more l lost count ). Not an isolated case ( person ). spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 7 hours ago, spacesailor said: Bruce The iliterate of this & other countries have No use for Any books. Can,t get a job !. Can,t get a driving licence !. Can,t afford Any books at any cost !. Drink, Drugs, Gamble, & Smokes, day to day life, no hope nor future. AND lots of kids, ( ten or more l lost count ). Not an isolated case ( person ). spacesailor Audiobooks. Available to download absolutely free from your local library. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) Illiterate people !, never use liberies. What on earth are you thinking? . They,r not morons and some are quite accomplished, BUT When Father comes home from Vietnam, can,t do anything due to nightmare,s of yesteryear, the children suffer the most. No government assistance was forthcoming, SO a carton of grog a day keeps the nasties at bay, ( bad dad ). The son went to the same school as my daughter. AND learned F A. Sent to this room , and that room, just to get him out of the teacher,s way !. Disruptive they call it, But l suspect it was more a cry for help !, that was not forthcoming from The System. His elder brother comittited suicide. And that didn,t help anyone, the dad died of emphysema, & his wife a few months later. No help for that family, in the government's System at all. Now he has at least ten children and is another illiterate dole person, becourse that same System say,s, He Cannot earn enoughth money to support hisj brood !, And he had a special case manager to read his forms, Even got him through the driving test, for a licence, which he lost due to Roads sending Paperwork for renewal. spacesailor Edited March 9, 2021 by spacesailor Double word 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Thats a terrible story Space. I reckon legacy and the RSL should have helped more. Not to mention the govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said: I reckon legacy and the RSL should have helped more There's help available, but many people in that condition have given up hope of anyone giving a damn for them, so they don't ask. Also, they have been traumatised by anything to do with the military and veterans that they don't want to mix with them at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said: Thats a terrible story Space. I reckon legacy and the RSL should have helped more. Not to mention the govt. I know of others who were never helped by the RSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Trouble with that story, is the third generation is always in trouble with the law, just like " like father, like son ". It seems the cops are alway,s right there, if a problem comes along !! Then it,s off to the lockup again. I tried visiting him a few times at his jail, BUT it,s just to much having cars following us home each time, makes you paranoid. We have had a few parked within whatching distance from our house. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 So sorry Spacey.. do you think those spying cars the cops or other crooks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Old K, the worst thing the RSL ever did was to refuse admittance to viet vets. I don't think this was everywhere, but it was awful. For myself, my marble didn't come up and I became a protester, but never once did I or anybody I knew have a beef with the soldiers who went there. We regarded them as victims and not as perps. To this day, I have admiration for the vets and I think they did us proud, although they should not have been sent there. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Bruce, Definitely the cops, they were watching us for many months after visiting someone in prison. Not a nice experience. .l don,t know how Normal people can live like that, just because of their area, or the acquaintances they befriend !. spacesailor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The RSL has been an RS League at times. The second war returnees got the same "yours wasn't as big as mine" treatment. I don't go in them anymore They lost me long ago when they threw their lot in with CLUBS Australia. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Despite several expensive upgrades, our local RSL still had a depressing atmosphere last time I visited. Perhaps the emphasis on gambling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 The one at Belmont in Geelong I exempt from my criticism. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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