Do NASA's observations rebut the Greens rhetoric?

[Litespeed]

This is from 2012 a Landline ABC program, Note the stupidity of government. Finally Hemp is allowed for Foods from 2018.

 

Why do I know so much?

 

I had a research licence for growing it at UWS Hawkesbury in 1997-1998.

 

We could have had a industry by now but pig headed pollies and vested interests kept stopping it.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

If we could make building materials from mine tailings it would solve a problem.

 

 

[Litespeed]

And here is a Lotus Elise /Eco concept from 2008, panels are lighter than originals and strong.

 

 

[Litespeed]

And a whole side panel of a small car from Hemp Plastic, here Henry Rollins gets out some anger!

 

As I have said the ability is out there we just need the will to do it.

 

 

[Litespeed]

Here is a Hemp skateboard- the deck is hemp and 100% bio resin.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

There wouldn’t be one thousandth of enough spare farmland in the world to grow enough hemp to replace the petroleum feedstocks that we use at present. It would be like the destruction of Malaysia’s forests to grow palm oil. Hemp products are great and we will see more of them I’m sure, but they will remain very marginal.

 

 

[Litespeed]

No, you just use existing farms and produce it, it is only one of many crops that can be used as a solution.

 

We should never cut down forests for farms.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

This is from 2012 a Landline ABC program, Note the stupidity of government. Finally Hemp is allowed for Foods from 2018...

Almost thirty years ago a video doco about industrial hemp growing was doing the rounds. Several local farmers were keen to invest, impressed by hemp's low impact on the environment, low water use and rapid growth. It's major "disadvantage" was it doesn't need lots of chemicals to grow, so the agri-chemical industry opposed it. Stupd, timid (corrupt?) governments ensured that idea withered on the vine.

 

 

[old man emu]

Point of historical interest.

 

It is a fact that one of the goals of the establishment of the colony of NSW by the British was to obtain land on which to grow hemp fibre. The fibre was essential for rope-making which the British Navy needed by the mile. Allied to this was the need for suitable timber for ship repairs, which was available on Norfolk Island. The Port Jackson settlement was envisaged as being a major naval base from which the British could control the South Pacific and Asian trade. Since the colony was to be set up on terra nullis there would be no danger of local rulers revolting and taking over the Naval establishments and industries.

 

Don't ever let anyone tell you that the British only established the colony as a dumping ground for the "dregs of British goals". There were far more important political and military reasons. The British simply used an available manpower pool. Transportation to the colonies had been going on from 1610 to 1775. It was only from 1775 to 1787 that the British investigated other destinations for transportation. During those 12 years prisoners sentenced to transportation were indeed held on decommissioned ships (hulks) in various ports, but they did not live in squalor. Records indicate that a prisoner was better off on a hulk than in a prison on land.

 

Once the Port Jackson colony was better established, there was a fairly specific set of criteria that convicted persons had to meet before being sentenced to transportation. Mostly these criteria included being late teens to mid-twenties in age; previous employment history in occupations useful in the colony, and literacy skills. The British wanted people who either had skills, or had the intelligence to be taught new skills. Sure, the offences that brought a lot of these people to the notice of the Law were what we would consider trivial, but as a means of assessing a wide range of potential colonists, they were OK.

 

You have to also see how these transportees fared after they completed their sentences, and also look at the letters they sent back to their families in Britain, encouraging those who could to get on a boat and get out here. In many cases, a sentence of transportation was a winning Lotto ticket.

 

 

[Bruce]

1775 is the year of the American revolution, after which the british could no longer use America. So settlement of Australia was a side-effect of that revolution.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Point of historical interest.

It is a fact that one of the goals of the establishment of the colony of NSW by the British was to obtain land on which to grow hemp fibre. The fibre was essential for rope-making which the British Navy needed by the mile...

I once worked with a wiry, dope-worn old hippy who told us how hemp used to grow all over the Hawkesbury.

 

He reckoned that in the good old days the coppers would arrest him for drunkedness, then give him back his pouch of funny green tobacco.

 

 

[Litespeed]

A lot of it had to do with Napoleon, he wanted to ensure the British had no source if hemp which is essential as ropes, caulking of planks and resins the ships used. Many tons were required for each ship and replaced often. Too lose supply could bring a navy to its knees. The Russians ended up supplying the British via American privateers, this led to Napoleon GPI g to war with Russia.

 

The potential to ensure hemp supplies made Australia of strategic importance. The Hawkesbury river are was were the hemp was grown, but eventual peace with France after Napoleon's final defeat meant it became less important as Europe was now again supplying the hemp.

 

 

[spacesailor]

Iv'e heard that marijuana is similar (or identical) to hemp.

 

Google'd it.

 

“Hemp” is another name for the Cannabis sativa plant and its products. This same species of plant is also called marijuana.

 

Grow lots for the youth at the Music Festival. Then ban SMOKING. LoL

 

Well you Will see the perpetrators.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[old man emu]

1775 is the year of the American revolution, after which the british could no longer use America. So settlement of Australia was a side-effect of that revolution.

That is quite correct as far as transportation of convicts goes, but at the same time Britain was being worried by the expansion of Spain, Russia and France. In the mid-1700s, Britain grabbed French possessions in Canada and India. Russia tried to take the Crimea from the Ottomans, who were allies of the British. Spain was seizing British fur trading vessels along the American North Pacific Coast. At the same time Europeans were moving into the South Pacific.

 

It was logical for Britain to establish a good foothold somewhere from which it could operate its navy over the Indian Ocean and the east coast of Asia.

 

 

[nomadpete]

OME, that's interesting background. Never got that history in my school days!

 

Also, it is exactly the same strategic occupation policy that gave us Pine Gap, which I believe is actually a piece of US territory in the middle of Australia.

 

 

[Bruce]

Paranoia against the Russians was still there when they build Fort Largs near Adelaide in the 1860's. They must have envisaged a sailing ship carrying some soldiers, sailing from Russia, into the range of the 2 big guns based there.

 

Well it gave a lifetime easy job for the lucky garrison huh.

 

 

[Bruce]

Sorry to tell you guys, but the hemp for smoking is a different cultivar from the rope-making stuff. Smoking rope does nothing for you.

 

 

[old man emu]

OME, that's interesting background. Never got that history in my school days!

There are a lot of reasons for accurate Australian history never having been taught in the 20th Century. I think the main one was that we were taught a selective history. We learned lots about British colonization from 1788 to 1821, but after that, barely nothing until the Gold Rush unless it related to the explorers. We we were taught nothing after the Gold Rush until the Kelly Gang ( and that is a highly biased story), then nothing until 1914. That history was the history of the Celebrities of the day, not the common masses.

 

I think two of the greatest aids to writing an accurate history of Australia are the Internet and an interest in family genealogy. Each one of us can access either contemporary news paper articles relating to our ancestors, or official records through Internet searches, or accessing the actual documents from archives. From my research into my family history, I've learned lots about the day-to-day history of the places where my ancestors lived. As a result of that research, I've been side-tracked into the topics of convict transportation and have developed a clearer picture of Aboriginal/European interaction during the European occupation of the land.

 

 

[old man emu]

Sorry to tell you guys, but the hemp for smoking is a different cultivar from the rope-making stuff. Smoking rope does nothing for you.

That's where the British made a big mistake in trying to grow hemp for fibre in India. The Indian sub-species is Cannabis indica ( formerly C. sativa var indica). That's the one that has the high levels of cannabinoids (the good sh!t). The fibre species is C. sativa. It grows tall and has significantly less cannabinoids. It is the height of the plant that provides the long fibres for rope making. The Indian variety is a shorter plant, so does not produce the length of fibre that makes good rope.

 

 

[willedoo]

Paranoia against the Russians was still there when they build Fort Largs near Adelaide in the 1860's. They must have envisaged a sailing ship carrying some soldiers, sailing from Russia, into the range of the 2 big guns based there.Well it gave a lifetime easy job for the lucky garrison huh.

Bruce, a lot of it had to do with the geopolitics of the American Civil War which ran from 1861 to 1865. A good starting point for some reading on the subject is to google the history of the CSS Shenandoah.

 

The Confederate ship and crew of the CSS Shenandoah were the last Confederate forces to surrender, about six months after the end of the land fighting. About 20% of their crew were Australians. They officially surrendered in England.

 

Britain supported the Confederate States, and by default, the Australian colonies did as well. Russia was a strong ally of the United States. Around the time the Shenandoah put in to Melbourne and recruited local crew, there was ongoing concern that Britain might officially recognize the Confederacy. A large section of the Russian Navy was down here for a so called good will visit to our ports, but then they sailed out and the Russians declared that if Britain announced recognition of the CSA, they would be at war with us and would sail into Melbourne and shell it.

 

Originally, as a cover, the Shenandoah was supposedly sold to New Zealand, then sailed near there where a Royal Navy ship supplied it with cannons and gear, then handed it over to the Confederates. It spent it's career as a free hunter, sinking American whalers and cargo ships. It had quite a tally by war's end. The Victorian colonial officials heard that the Confederates were looking for crew so they expressly forbid it to maintain a neutral stance, as many U.S. ships docked there as well. The Australian crew contingent stowed away below decks until they were safely away in international waters.

 

Confederate ships visiting Australian ports was a tipping point for America's ally, Russia; like a red line for them. Because of the major power's alliances, the American Civil War always ran the risk of developing into a global conflict.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Paranoia against the Russians was still there when they build Fort Largs near Adelaide in the 1860's...

Under the Harbour bridge on Millers Point there was a fort built to repel those pesky Russians.

 

Years ago we made a rare trip to Sydney and fluked the timing to be on hand just as a backhoe unearthed a brick staircase to the underground armoury.

 

Archaeologist had already excavated six big gun emplacements with semicircular tracks.

 

They also found a deep semicircular tunnel cut into the living rock to anchor the cables that held the arches of the Bridge until it was complete.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Back to climate science. This fascinating story is worth a read:

 

America colonisation ‘cooled climate’

 

 

[nomadpete]

Yeah, but that's from the BBC. And we've been warned that the BBC'S is rife with .leftie, greenie propagandists.

 

Interesting piece of research though. It suggests that there is hope for us to put the brakes on our global CO2 addiction. If only we can get our leaders to make forward planning happen.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Lets colonise Africa again. That should help.

 

 

[Litespeed]

I think the study makes a really good point. We should follow the effects of colonisation by gun and disease as suffered by Australia, the Americas and sadly too many others.

 

Simple really just kill 90% of the population and let nature do its thing.

 

Or we could stop deniers and get on will doing real action, before the planet kills us off for the parasites we are.