The impact of Immigration

[Marty_d]

I would be very interested to know how immigrants have affected people PERSONALLY. 

There's a lot of anti-immigration rubbish on here. It's all general.

Personally, in my team at work there are 3 people who emigrated to Australia. They're hard workers and good people.

So I'm interested why people have a problem with Australia's current immigration regime.

Is it because of the stories in the Murdoch press?

Is it because you want a simple scapegoat for complex societal problems like house prices?

Or have you been personally impacted by immigration?

[onetrack]

The general opinion of the immigration problem seems to be that immigrants lower the standards many Anglo-Europeans set in earlier days - as regards cleanliness, levels of service, and general behaviour standards.

The previous laws relating to immigrants appear to have been seriously watered down. Originally, immigrants had to produce a clean criminal history, be sponsored by an Australian citizen and have a job to go to, and they were on "probation" for a couple of years after arrival. Any criminal offence soon after arrival would see them deported quickly.

But now we have "African Crime Gangs", "Middle Eastern Crime Gangs", and Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs taken over by immigrant thugs. There has been a major upsurge in drug dealing, money laundering, car theft, car rebirthing, financial scams (especially involving NDIS and child care payment scams), and a major upsurge in the use of bladed weapons in serious assaults and home invasions.

A lot of this crime upsurge is directly related to immigrants with criminal histories and tendencies who were let in, apparently unchecked. This is not the way to improve a country.

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:27 PM by onetrack

[red750]

Edited as requested.

[octave]

30 minutes ago, onetrack said:

The general opinion of the immigration problem seems to be that immigrants lower the standards many Anglo-Europeans set in earlier days

 

I guess the issue is not immigration per se, but the method.  These conversations often seem to assume that the worst cases are the most common.  In the past, there were a lot of Italian migrants.  Although now accepted by most Australians, there were certainly a minority involved in organised crime.    My son's partner is a migrant from China (to NZ). She is a highly paid (and taxed) contributor to society. The term immigrant is rather broad. My doctor and my dentist are immigrants.

 

For the last 30 years of my working life, I  mainly worked as a music teacher in private music studios.  The number of my colleagues born overseas was quite large.  These people were the best and brightest.   Here is a picture from when I retired.  There are Irish, Vietnamese, Chinese, Hong Kong, South American, South African, British, and probably more.  These people were all smart and talented, and I loved working with them.

 

 

I am also an immigrant. My family arrived in Australia in 1964 as "ten-pound tourists" We lived in a new city called Elizabeth, which was full of immigrants, mainly British but other nationalities as well.  A few immigrants failed to adjust, and there was crime associated with this. I don't have the figures, but I doubt it would have been much greater than from Australian-born people.

 

 

[red750]

Box Hill Central is a busy shopping centre built over a railway station, with a bus terminus on the roof. You can sit in the mall for half an hour and be lucky to see half a dozen caucasions. Mainly Asians of various nationalities - Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, Sri Lankan, Singaporean, etc.

[pmccarthy]

We have been personally affected in one important way. The licence of our local pub (within walking distance) was taken over by immigrants about five years ago, now on its second family group. They have alienated the whole community and destroyed the vibe of our pub. They are not interested in service. It was a great pub, now no one goes there. We speculate as to why they are there, that it must be a loss maker but gives them a visa.

[rgmwa]

In my previous company, we once did a quick headcount and came up with 14 different nationalities. We are a multicultural country and by and large a pretty successful one, but not without associated problems such as crime and gangs. However, the vast majority of immigrants are good people who just want to get on with their lives and be decent citizens. As Jerry said, the only traditional Australians are the First Nations people. The rest of us are all new arrivals by comparison.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by rgmwa

[facthunter]

 What is a traditional Person?  I don't believe in Kings of Lords or any Kind of privilege by Birth .  2 babies born Here Have Identical rights or where do we end up.?   Nev

[rgmwa]

You will have to ask GON what a Traditional Australian is. I guess First Nations people should qualify given the length of time they have been here.

 

[facthunter]

I don't GET the First NATION s bit, ether. When is a tribe a Nation?  Nev

[rgmwa]

Yes, I think the Nation part is pretty questionable. First inhabitants would be more accurate and traditional Australians seems OK to me as a differentiator if you needed one. 

[facthunter]

Traditional would vary across Australia depending on geographical factors. There were Salt water Aborigines etc. and as the climate changed  desert areas, they Migrated or changed because of it. eg Harvested plant seeds  and carried water from Known water sources. shown on Paintings.. Nev

[red750]

There were a multitude of tribes, which formed the nation. Just as America had many tribes of what used to be referred to as Indians, and they are now regarded as First Nations People. Many words are now regarded as insulting and racist, such as negro (nigger), American Indian and aborigine (abo).

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Traditional "AUSSIES" were/are those who shaped the Aussie culture and colloquial lingo. You blokes should be able to work that out.

 

There were/are different ethnicities included, right from the early days. But mainly descendants of British convicts plus British free settlers. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[octave]

8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Traditional "AUSSIES" were/are those who shaped the Aussie culture and colloquial lingo.

Does that exclude me? I was born in Britain and came here when I was 2. I am not sure if I have shaped Aussie culture and colloquial lingo.   Should I go back to where I came from?

[Marty_d]

Yep, I was born here but my father emigrated from Sri Lanka. I should probably leave too as I'm untraditional. Not sure where I'd go though.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

10 minutes ago, octave said:

Does that exclude me? I was born in Britain and came here when I was 2. I am not sure if I have shaped Aussie culture and colloquial lingo.   Should I go back to where I came from?

 

Have you heard of "Gelignite" Jack?, or Jack Sue of Z Force?, or one you should know about, Charles Kingsford Smith?

 

Three examples of Traditional Aussies, shaping the Aussie psyche.

[octave]

14 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Have you heard of "Gelignite" Jack?, or Jack Sue of Z Force?, or one you should know about, Charles Kingsford Smith?

 

Yes, No Yes.

 

I wonder why it is important to you that we all share identical knowledge.   What is the point of a conversation between 2 people with identical knowledge and culture?   

[facthunter]

In Australia when referring to the ones before us they use the Plural NATIONS. They have different Languages like PNG but the total Population was never that High.. Their Impact on the Land was fairly Minimal IF you ignore Burning off.  I wonder if given the Option Todays indigenous People would like to give up all the advantages of a Modern society .  Like airconditioning Bridges Roads  Hospitals Airtravel  Roof over your Head. Cars to drive.  Money from the gov't and an education. etc.Nev