Middle East conflict

[facthunter]

Iranians are NOT Arabs.  BTW did anyone watch Trumps SPEECH about 2 Hours ago? Nev

[Siso]

26 minutes ago, Litespeed said:

Provocation is the excuse of bullies, tyrants and murderous regimes.

 

So, when a child throws a rock at a invading tank, that's sufficient to shoot them dead?

 

Happens daily and Israel just justifies itself.

So its OK if they come into a country, kill 1400? civilians as well as other incursions over the last few years. Is Israel just supposed to talk about and contact their local Employee assistance program to help them get over it? 

[facthunter]

No one thinks that Incursion was Justified But why did BIBI Ignore the Advice from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood that  Something BIG was about to Happen and where was Mossad at the time?   Israel is also Clearly expansionist. Nev

[rgmwa]

41 minutes ago, facthunter said:

BTW did anyone watch Trumps SPEECH about 2 Hours ago? Nev

Yes. I think he just read out the last four weeks of his midnight Truth Social rants. 

Edited 6 hours ago by rgmwa

[Marty_d]

48 minutes ago, Siso said:

So its OK if they come into a country, kill 1400? civilians as well as other incursions over the last few years. Is Israel just supposed to talk about and contact their local Employee assistance program to help them get over it? 

Of course it's not ok. But do you think the response was proportionate? 

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Iranians are NOT Arabs.

That's right. The nation originated from the migration of Indo-Iranian tribes (Medes, Persians, Parthians) from Central Asia to the Iranian Plateau around the 2nd millennium BC. They established some of the first civilisations in the region of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. Their religion was Zoroastrianism. It is one of the world's oldest monotheistic faiths, founded in ancient Persia (modern-day Iran) by Prophet Zoroaster. Its influence was reduced by Islamisation during the 7th Century CE. A lot escaped to India where they mainly live in Mumbai.

 

Persian (Fārsi) is the official language of Iran, spoken natively by roughly 50-70% of the population and understood by most others. As an Indo-European language, it is unrelated to Arabic, though it uses a modified Arabic script.

 

 

[Siso]

54 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

Of course it's not ok. But do you think the response was proportionate? 

Maybe, maybe not. I have never been in this position, but I feel it was about more than just this one incident.

[rgmwa]

19 minutes ago, Siso said:

Maybe, maybe not. I have never been in this position, but I feel it was about more than just this one incident.

Yes, it was also about Netanyahu trying to keep himself in power and out of prison.

[Siso]

2 minutes ago, rgmwa said:

Yes, it was also about Netanyahu trying to keep himself in power and out of prison.

mmmm!

[Marty_d]

33 minutes ago, Siso said:

Maybe, maybe not. 

That idiot from Australia went to NZ and gunned down 51 people.

If NZ then invaded Australia, killing 2500 people of which maybe 100 were white supremacists, and destroyed masses of public infrastructure including your house, would you think it was a fair response?

Because that's what Israel has done.

[red750]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

Iranians are NOT Arabs.  BTW did anyone watch Trumps SPEECH about 2 Hours ago? Nev

Well it was on the tele at the Shed, but I couldn't hear it. Others talking over the top of him, making jokes, and someone in the workshop using the belt sander. But I knew he was lying, his lips were moving.

[Siso]

 

24 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

That idiot from Australia went to NZ and gunned down 51 people.

If NZ then invaded Australia, killing 2500 people of which maybe 100 were white supremacists, and destroyed masses of public infrastructure including your house, would you think it was a fair response?

Because that's what Israel has done.

apples and oranges, 1 person goes and kills a heap of people is a lot different to a state sponsored mass killing, especially if they have been poking the bear for many years. It is not nearly the same thing!

[facthunter]

Who's been poking who? It goes back to about 1948.. Nev

[Siso]

12 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Who's been poking who? It goes back to about 1948.. Nev

Yes it is a complicated situation. How far do you actually want to go back. Its been going a lot longer than that.

[facthunter]

Once they start saying "chosen by God" I'm lost for words. Hitler's Final solution was Diabolical. Settling in the ME is a hard ask.. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

6 hours ago, Litespeed said:

Provocation is the excuse of bullies, tyrants and murderous regimes.

 

So, when a child throws a rock at a invading tank, that's sufficient to shoot them dead?

 

Happens daily and Israel just justifies itself.

Begore I call BS, show evidence. - and that it is systematic.

 

Even Australia has its eveil people - Roberts Smith hasn't even been tried while the whistleblower languishes in prison. Doesn't mean Australia is systematically war criminals 9but it seems to harbour their own, anyway). 

 

You think consant firing of rockets at civilians over the years.. and then breaking through and brutally killing 1500-ish people and taking hostages is throwing stones? 

 

So far peacepul Palestinian protestors? And now that?

 

Give me a break about no antisemetism

Edited 1 hour ago by Jerry_Atrick

[randomx]

One thing l've wondered a lot is, how has Israel, a country of way less than half even our population here, been bombing the hell out of everything over there one way or another 2yrs or however long it's been?

How does such a small country have all these weapons and jets , there's not a hope in hell we could do that .

[Jerry_Atrick]

Maybe because they are living under constant threat, historically from all of their neghbours and if they lose, its curtains. 

 

Read the Hamas Charter - specifically article 7.. It leaves no doubt there is no intention to spare any Jew... anywhere. 

 

Remember, they are a proxy of Iran.. and yes, there are still a few Jews in Iran. 

 

Funny.. if that were in the constiution of Israel - but in reverse - how much attention that would get?

[old man emu]

2 minutes ago, randomx said:

One thing l've wondered a lot is, how has Israel, a country of way less than half even our population here, been bombing the hell out of everything over there one way or another 2yrs or however long it's been?

How does such a small country have all these weapons and jets , there's not a hope in hell we could do that .

Isreal has been a major manufacturer of weapons for yonks. Israel’s industry is heavily dominated by high-technology, innovation, and advanced manufacturing, driven by a strong R&D sector and over 350 multinational centers (e.g., Intel, Apple, Google). Key sectors include electronics, cyber security, defense, pharmaceuticals, and chemical products. Despite limited natural resources, Israel has become a net exporter of natural gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

 

Also, like the Arab nations supplying petrol dollars to Arab militants, international Jewry, especially American Jewry, has been funding all sorts of things in Isreal.

[Jerry_Atrick]

On 01/04/2026 at 8:15 AM, Litespeed said:

Jerry, 

 

Israel is a murderous Zionist state that openly commits war crimes and murders thousands of innocent civilians.

Hmmm.. quite a strong statement.. But... I think you mean the other states.

Hamas attack Israel's defenceless citizends when they can identify military targets and rely on theiur defenceless citizens as human shields. Israel seek to destroy their military capability, which is a reasonable response. But Hamas proffer up as their defences - their own defenceless citizens.. Israel even warn of when they are going to attack and where (albeit not enough notice to mobilse a lot of citizens). 

 

Who exactly is the murderous state? I don't recall Israel wantonly going into war without being attacked or in the case of 1967, the obvious mobilisation of an attack on Israel. But if you can name one, I will happily take it back. 

 

Also, for your reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war

 

Now I haven't done the maths lately, but it represents around 1,000 Palestinians per year ex the current war, but even if you looked at the last 2 year war in isolation, it is 35,000 Palesinians with no sepaation between Hamas and citizens. But lets assume citizens.. And by the way - numbers provided by Hamas, and were once reduced by them.

 

Syria - Civil war - Around 11 years from 580 thousand to 656,00.. Minimum 50,000 year - brutally with barrell bombs and the like.

 

Yemen/Oman - in 6 years, 377,000: https://caat.org.uk/data/countries/saudi-arabia/the-war-on-yemens-civilians/ 

That makes it around 63,000/year. All Yemenis. .Yet hardly anyone even knows about this war - and there wasn't much about it at the time.

 

Iraq/Iran 300,000 civilians including targtetting 200,000 Kurds.. 

 

I could go on.. 

 

Nary a word from anyone. I guess that saying, No Jews, no news.. holds true?

 

Back to Israel. 

 

Answer me this: What killings has Israel perpetrated that were not the result of a threat or an attack? And I am not talking about rogues, for which Israel at least did hold accountable? https://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-02/21/c_136074394.htm

 

And I quote the Israeli judge: ""There was no reason for shooting the terrorist, certainly not at his head," (my bold). Say the roles were reversed.. Would there even be a trial? Or would it be considered an automatic tribulation. 

 

Now to Hamas (and the Palestinians that support them): I suggest you dig out the videos that Hamas took on their attacks. I understand they are available on platforms such as Telegram. I have to admit, I haven't seen them, but the commentary is not one for the squeamish. Remember, these people targetted civilians and murdered them in brutal ways. And according to the commentary, rape in front of their families before behading, heading in front of their families, etc. And it was systematic of the attack (I am sure not all were doing this, but there was enough). And of course the famous soundbyte of a Hamas militant calling his mother celebrating he killed Jews..

 

Now, who is murderous?

Edited 1 hour ago by Jerry_Atrick

[Jerry_Atrick]

On 01/04/2026 at 8:58 AM, facthunter said:

Can we take that as a comment? Depriving people of the essentials of Life and allowing no reporting?  Nev

Even if it were true, by that definition most of the middle eastern states are engaged in some form of terrorism. Haven't heard anyone call Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc a terrorsist state yet? 

 

Or is Israel held to a higher standard than anyone else?

 

In other words (and this is not to yourself in particular, Nev), even if Israel did do everyting they are alleged to have done, they receive a lot of venom when there are others that do much much worse, and nary raise an eyebrow. 

 

I call it anti-semitism.. You can hide behind "I am criticising a Zionist government", but even that is anti-semetism.. Because since when is the belief in a Jewish state a problem when there are numerous Christian, Muslim, Hindi, etc states. 

 

Maybe people should have to live - not just visit or layover or attend business meetings in some of these places. And then form a judgement. 

Edited 53 minutes ago by Jerry_Atrick