Middle East conflict

[red750]

28 minutes ago, randomx said:

They say his poss' still in a coma and still badly injured

They say he's been disfigured. Source: News video of Pete Hogsbreath news conference reporting the Kharg Island strike.

 

 

[facthunter]

I wouldn't take a lot of notice of what Hegseth seth  He's an ex-military Christian  Funda MENTAL ist. This fight is Armageddon and Dog has chosen Trump to carry it OUT. What hope has the World got? Nev

[rgmwa]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

This IRAN debacle will be the end of Trump at home  as soon as boots are on the ground. Nev

He’s just sent 5000 marines into the area but it will take them two weeks to get there so this conflict is going to go on 

[facthunter]

HE PROMISED He wouldn't do this. (Start another WAR  on foreign soil) Netanyahu and Putin have Power over him.  Both are Bloodthirsty killers. Nev

[kgwilson]

It is only the Maga faithful nutters who believe the Bullshit Trump and Hegseth continue to spew out. The majority of US voters are unhappy with this war and the escalation with Iran continuing to inflict more damage each time they come out with comments like totally destroyed, and obliterated etc. The US is running short of its top end missiles at $50 million a pop & is getting help from Ukraine to provide attack drones. Iran has thousands & will be manufacturing more at full speed. The only good thing is they won't be sending many if any to Russia for use against Ukraine.

 

There is now no doubt that the US under Trump is a dictatorship & when congress & the senate try to reign things in he will declare some sort of wartime emergency to assume absolute power which he almost has now.

Edited 23 hours ago by kgwilson

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Global Islamic terrorism needs to be eradicated. Iran is a good place to start, then Lebanon, then Western nations with muslim populations. 

I'd rather start with global idiocy.

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, randomx said:

 

 

Saw a report the new Supreme Leader hasn't actually been seen in public yet , they've just been using pics and older clips. They say his poss' still in a coma and still badly injured. Dunno how true it is. 

 

Even if he's in perfect health it makes sense to stay hidden.  His father, wife and at least one child have already been killed, and Trumpanyahu have said they want to kill him too.

If it's open season on leaders, not sure why Putin, Trump and Netanyahu aren't fair game too.

[randomx]

There ya go, Govs have had to double fines for gouging, l wonder why, and servos all over the country have so far already been fined- what a surprise. 

 

On another note they've also lowered diesel fuel standards for 60 days, means they add things to increase supply. For anyone mechanical, is that still ok for the motor, especially one like mine with high k's ?

Edited 20 hours ago by randomx

[rgmwa]

Trump bombed all the military installations on Kharg Island today which Iran uses to export 90% of its oil, nearly all to China. He has also threatened to bomb the oil infrastructure on the island if Iran continues to block the Strait of Hormuz. I think the Iranians will call his bluff. They can’t stop him, but it would just give them more incentive to hit back and keep the blockade up if he does go ahead. The regime will fight to the bitter end because they have nothing to lose. 
Trump is also supposed to meet with Xi Jin Ping at the end of the month. Xi won’t be happy if Trump has demolished his main source of oil. 

Edited 19 hours ago by rgmwa

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, randomx said:

Govs have had to double fines for gouging,

Before the start of the "war", petrol at my place was $1.70 for 91 octane. It is now $2.25. That's and increase of 55 cents. Since GST is 10% the current price returns Treasury an extra 5.5 cents per litre. As well as calling out the oil companies for gouging, we should also call out the Government.

 

Notice that I said that GST generates money going into Treasury. At the moment the Government is Labor, but if the LNP was the Government, then I reckon they would accept the windfall as well. I'm not trying to say that Labor is being nasty and the LNP wouldn't be. I'm saying that both would not deny the exra money coming into Treasury.

 

4 hours ago, kgwilson said:

The majority of US voters are unhappy with this war

Apparently, the voters are "unhappy" about rising food prices, layoff, inflation, etc., but they are totally pissed off, furious and more than somewhat upset that the price of petrol is sky-rocketed. I suppose those who drive ICE vehicle are also annoyed with the drivers of EVs.

[onetrack]

17 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

This thread feels like an echo chamber. I think attacking Iran is the best good thing Trump has done. In all wars, the outcome cannot be predicted and you just have to act against evil when it's manifestation becomes unbearable.

Be careful what you wish for. The outcome of this punch-up could be vastly detrimental economically to all Western Nations, most companies and corporations, and certainly a lot of employees.

Inflation is likely to triple the percentage of what it is now, interest rates will follow, and a major recession follows on from those two.

I've seen 17% inflation under Whitlam and it's a shocking thing to try and cope with. You may recall the period, it was one of high unemployment as well as high inflation, as well as the ongoing effects of the '73 oil crisis. The oil price tripled from $4 a barrel to $12 barrel in late '73, long lines formed at servos, and there were major fuel shortages.

The oil crisis only lasted from Oct '73 to March '74, but the effects of it lingered for years afterwards.

[pmccarthy]

I have no doubt the effects of this war will linger for years. There will be lots of negative effects. But if the USA succeeds in ridding the world of the source of much of its international terrorism, the benefits are likely to greatly outweigh the costs. It is just too early to tell. But if you don’t have a go and roll the dice, nothing changes.

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

Before the start of the "war", petrol at my place was $1.70 for 91 octane. It is now $2.25. That's and increase of 55 cents. Since GST is 10% the current price returns Treasury an extra 5.5 cents per litre. As well as calling out the oil companies for gouging, we should also call out the Government.

Normally, I would agree with you, but the costs to the government are also going up as well, unless they hedge their fuel costs, and even then the hedges will only last a shorter duration I would expect. . So all it would mean is that they have to borrow more and we would also have to pay interest as well. They may as well slug some of us now (we have the same issue in the UK). 

[Jerry_Atrick]

7 hours ago, Marty_d said:

I'd rather start with global idiocy.

Given that terrorism is idiocy, and global terrorism therefore is a part of global idiocy, I would start with the terrorism. But, yep, would be great to take out all the idiocy.

[rgmwa]

I wonder when the Qatari’s are going to repossess the jet they gave Trump. That gift hasn’t worked out too well for them now his excursion into Iran has resulted in missiles and drones heading in their direction. 

[old man emu]

A terrorist organization is a group that uses violence, intimidation, or coercion, often against civilians, to achieve ideological, political, or religious goals. 

 

Does the Adminsitration of the USA fit that definition?

[facthunter]

Yes but it doesn't count because Trump is sent by Dog to do his work. ....... ? Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

On that basis most of the wars are terrorism

[old man emu]

6 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

On that basis most of the wars are terrorism

If you think about it, you could almost say that terrorism in modern times started with the first raid by German Zeppelins in WWI. However, I suppose a deeper look would find examples of attacks on non-combatants throughout human history. 

[randomx]

Treasurer and the ACCC  to take serious action against petrol stations hiking prices and gouging.

You see, same old , nothing new.

[old man emu]

Is it the servos or is it the oil companies? The servo is the retailer - the link between the oil company, local distributor and the customer. It is the oil companies which set the wholesale price of fuel. If they raise the wholesale price, then that rise passes down the chain. The oil companies also set the price at their own sites and their franchised sites. Have you ever noticed that the price changes at competing oil company sites rise and fall in unison? It is the independents who can control their price more closely. I suppose the idea of servos price gouging comes from the independents going from being cheaper than the oil company sites to matching those sites in the same area.  So, perhaps the action taken by the ACCC, or Fair Trading would be appreciated by the oil companies as it might drive an independent out of the local market.

[Litespeed]

2 hours ago, old man emu said:

A terrorist organization is a group that uses violence, intimidation, or coercion, often against civilians, to achieve ideological, political, or religious goals. 

 

Does the Adminsitration of the USA fit that definition?

Yes,

that make the USA and Israel the two biggest sponsors and users of terrorism currently today.

 

 

[onetrack]

Terrorists specifically hold people as hostages to gain the ultimate power in decisions being made. They also kill people on a random basis to instill terrifying fear into the remainder of the family, group, nation, or power bloc. The Nazis used refined terrorism via the Gestapo. The Gestapo would kill dozens and even hundreds of unarmed civilians simply as a warning against trying to oppose the Nazis.

 

On that basis, neither America nor Israel are currently terrorists, with their actions designed to destroy Islamic terrorism promoters. They are reacting with long-held hatred from previous terrorism attacks against them by Islamic terrorists, to destroy those Islamics they see as promoting terrorism against the West, and against the State of Israel.

 

But both America and Israel have utilised terrorism in the past. The State of Israel was founded on terrorism of the British (and the Palestinians), and specifically by acts of terrorism by the Zionist Stern and Irgun gangs.

 

American terrorism acts were were funded and encouraged by the CIA, often employing locals they'd trained. In places such as the Middle East, South American countries and Asian countries, where unstable Govts or dictators who were seen to be rabidly anti-American, the CIA set out to create disruption, cause regime collapse, and even carried out political killings.

 

The assassination of President Ngô Đình Diệm in South Vietnam in 1963, by a group of Diệms army officers, was actively encouraged, funded, and supported by the CIA.

 

Further back, the Americans killed a lot of Native Americans in what was essentially acts of terrorism, designed to acquire their lands and resources. The Wounded Knee Massacre is possibly the worst example of Americans killing unarmed or disarmed Native Americans. 

 

[Litespeed]

I would consider the mass killing of civilians including children and hospitals, the flattening of entire cities across GAZA and now Lebanon, the harassment and murder of farmers in the West Bank as meeting that criteria.

 

Also they are genocide actions as declared by the UN.

[randomx]

Check this out.

Poor old Island is mainly heated by oil heating. Well, a few people had ordered their next tank of oil a wk ago, normally 300. 

The oil company wouldn't do them a tank for 300 even though they'd ordered pre any price jumps bc nowwwww, they're charging them 900 per tank.

Ouch. Poor buggers hope they can be warm .