Is our 2 party system just a con?

[Siso]

Gina may support ON a lot but they are all owned by someone, to the extent they get jobs after politics in fields they use to oversee. ON is not special, just gets a bit more attention because the major partys are feeling a bit threatened.

[facthunter]

Hanson is on record saying that "the Speaker of the Senate has NO CONTROL over HER." Is THAT OK? What a great example to set. She thinks she can get away with anything.. Nev

[Marty_d]

Well this will help them turn the ship around...  😂 ABC Live blog says Tony Abbott is positioning himself to be the next president of the Liberal party.

 

Kind of like hiring Putin to be a conflict mediator, or Trump to bring honesty back to politics.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-07/federal-politics-live-blog-early-childcare-commission/106651090

[onetrack]

Just goes to show, what a bunch of out-of-touch has-beens, the Liberal Party has become.

[facthunter]

When they ONLY talk only amongst themselves they don't come up with any NEW ideas.  One of the Major Causes of the Libs being where they are Now would be Tony Abbott. This would have to Be the Ultimate attempt to flog a Dead Horse.  He's been constantly trying  a find a Raison d etre since he Lost his own  seat.( Bad sign). Peta Credlin was HIS "Brain" then. His true Loyalty LIES back in England but he didn't have any success there. IF you caused a Mess surely you would  HAVE to rule yourself out as being the One to FIX it. PLUS He's none the wiser He has not improved with AGE.. As long as he is Australina he will get the Pension .Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Well the ISIS brides will get the pension as well when they reach 67, and they won't have improved with age either. The two party ALP and Coalition system is on it's last legs, we're all seeing them for what they really are, ideological dictators, telling everyone else to sit down and shut up.

 

They rely solely on preference voting, not primary votes, to win seats. As such, all squares must be marked for votes to be formal. So the entire voting system is based on preferences, otherwise the system fails to work. Being mandatory to mark every square is dictatorship. Fill them all out, or your vote won't count.

[facthunter]

Rave on.  That's all it sounds like.  You are NOT  accurate either.  Tony wants to Be President of a Political party, and my comment is made in that context. You just make things up, frequently. There's nothing corrupt about a Preferential system in essence either.. Some countries have First past the Post but is it suitable where a Lot of Candidates are Listed? I don't Know but it certainly doesn't keep ME awake at Night whereas having Abbot in any position of POWER again would be Nightmarish. . Most Politicians accept the Choice of the Voters. Libs have been dummy  spitting rather than doing something about the Policies that saw them Kicked out convincingly. Their ranks are Unsafe for Women to start with. A bad sign.  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

We're at the beginning of a transitional period, questioning whether we should continue with ALP and Coalition ideological policy making and vote chasing. It's all becoming very damaging to Australia. We've lost car manufacturing. The cancellation of Inland Rail, etc, etc.

 

We're getting no where.

[Kyle Communications]

Our preferential voting system is NOT democratic..thats the problem.

It was done to make sure all votes counted but its faulty.

We need the same compulsory voting to make sure everyone does make a choice and it needs to be First past the post. Then you truly get the majority of the will of the people. The more parties you have though can make this problematic because you can of course have 5 parties and the vote can thin out and you could end up governing on 21% of the vote if all the votes were roughly the same...BUT in this case you then have to negotiate with other parties to get a majority if you want a policy implemented.

if there becomes a stalemate then on getting a policy through there needs to be a mechanism for the general populous to have their vote on that particular issue. Its sort of when supply is blocked you dont sack the government you go to the people to decide. This is more democratic than the shitshow we have now

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kyle Communications

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, Kyle Communications said:

We need the same compulsory voting to make sure everyone does make a choice and it needs to be First past the post.

Well, we do have compulsory voting, and that's good. Everyone gets to make a choice. That's good. First past the post? Dunno, Just look at the primary votes in recent elections. It is very rare that a candidate gets more than 50% +1. At least with preferential voting one can indicate that which candidate you really don't want, and which candidates one thinks are better than the others. 

[facthunter]

The Inland rail still Goes to Parkes. Is it Possible that It was Found to Be Uneconomic before it was finished?   IF so what is the right thing to do? Press on regardless?? It was Abbot and Hockey that Unceremoniously Kicked the Car Companies out.   Both are NOT the same and never were, Anyhow we DONT now have a 2 Party system. If you think so, think again and remove your blinkers. The UNHOLY  Alliance between the Libs and NATS was a major contributor to where we are at NOW. Nats represent Coal and Gas, and corrupt deals on the Darling River, NOT small Farmers. Nev