Aussie Federal election 2025

[red750]

They voted the way they did due to Trump's desire to make them the 51st state. 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Albanese will be tossed out this election, he made a blunder spending all that money trying to get the Voice up, and no one wanted to change the Constitution in that way. 

 

Then he botched the fix for the housing crisis. There shouldn't have been a housing crisis in the first place, which means he's also botched the fix for reducing immigration.

[Marty_d]

Hopefully you're wrong.

Dutton has been very unimpressive this election. He has no workable policies and won't release costings.

I believe that Albo will benefit from the "Trump effect" although to a lesser extent than Canada.

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Albanese will be tossed out this election, he made a blunder spending all that money trying to get the Voice up, and no one wanted to change the Constitution in that way. 

 

Then he botched the fix for the housing crisis. There shouldn't have been a housing crisis in the first place, which means he's also botched the fix for reducing immigration.

By the way, immigration is not the cause of the housing crisis. Overpriced houses and not having enough of them is the cause.

[rgmwa]

Dutton also suffers from having the charisma of a gatepost.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Who said anything about Dutton?

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Who said anything about Dutton?

Most of us consider the election to be a race between Albo and Dutton. Are you implying the Clive Palmer is the dark horse in the race?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Who said anything about Clive Palmer?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Apart from Albo who are you talking about is in the race for the PM-ship. If not Albo, who will take it?

 

I believe the housing crisis had its genesis well before Albo was near the lodge

[Jerry_Atrick]

15 hours ago, facthunter said:

THEY don't  GET to vote for Trump till they are the 51st State. The swing was back to Trudeau's mob. BLUE ties.  Who would have thought? Nev

Too right.. Neither does Greenland or the Netherlands; the former in the firing line of annexation and the latter

 

Does WWIII break out between the US and its allies and the rest of the world wait to rummage through the remains?

 

Also, the rest of the world is also directly impacted by his "policies" and we also don't get to vote. All round ship show while the Chump is at the helm

[Siso]

While I am not really a Dutton supporter, I hope he does get in and his NP gets through. Have been watching power prices for about 15 years now. When I started the price in SA was variable, but as the penetration of renewables increased it got more and more volatile while wild swings. We are starting to see the same volatility recently in Queensland and NSW now as the percentage of renewables increases. It will make any high energy using industry less and less viability which will affect jobs for our kids. Unfortunately even if he does get in I fear he will still have a hard time getting things done.

[facthunter]

The grid is a big factor and some times we can't use all the  Solar and wind we now have even.  Batteries and things like Pumped Hydro are what is needed for rapid response to changes in demand . SA is  BIG area for not a large population. Both sides of politics there agreed on solar wind and batteries.  I think the grid there is the main issue. Nuclear is not a serious possibility for decades if ever and the cost is WAY up Multiples of the others. Nev

[Siso]

Nuclear is a serious possibility for Australia. We need to look further than politicians carrying on. Even the CSIRO don't take albo's  600 billion seriously. We don't make all the solar and wind we can use yet, we just can't transport or store it in the places we need it. Australia has a long skinny grid and the transmission is going to have 1000s of km of under utilised transmission which sill needs the same amount of maintenance as a fully used system. Not very good business practice for the country unless you are one of the company's building and running these assets. Both sides do agree with solar and wind, their just seems to be one side that is smart enough to realise that wind solar and batterys can not do it by themselves. The costs won't be way up. We will need gas turbines that will all be needed only a few times a year. More underutilised plant. Even if they are only needed for 5% of the load, chances are this 5% may be need once or twice a year which means we will still need a large amount of capacity.

[Jerry_Atrick]

https://www.premier.sa.gov.au/media-releases/news-archive/sa-records-nations-biggest-fall-in-power-prices

 

Hmm... that is the volatility most people would like, I would suggest.

 

 

 

[facthunter]

Even some Parts of Canada are using solar  Australia HAS to be about the Last Place you'd need Nuclear. You can't easily wind it up and down, Batteries are virtually Instant ON & Off Nuclear needs water to cool the wasted heat and is a security issue. Dispersed sources are easier protected,  Nev

[old man emu]

Before the advent of renewables, I was strongly in favour of nuclear. But now as I travel about I see the profusion of solar panels both in domestic and commercial situations. I also see wind turbines in many places. Clearly these renewables are the way of the Future. It seems we have the technology for generation in hand. What is needed now are advances in storage technology, which I feel sure are being made. 

 

Siso brings up the topic of long distance transmission, but isn't that in place already? As I mentioned earlier, there's a paddock full of solar panels on the edge of my town. Transmitting power from them into the local area surely should not require more infrastructure.

[facthunter]

OMEJust a Balance with batteries  and you're there, IF the grid is available I wouldn't be in a hurry to dispense with it. To stay on it is about the same as Oxy and acetylene bottle rental.  Sheep etc can graze the Paddock. where the Panels are. There's NO dust or noise.. No water table affected. Nev

[Siso]

Its not the local area that is the concern. It is when Queensland has a day of little wind and solar and  SA has excess. We are talking several GW worth of transmission. Nuclear is able to be wound up and down, it just has never had to be in the past. Duttons plan is not to replace the whole grid with nuclear, just enough to take care of the black, brown and orang lines at the bottom of the graph  here. Open Electricity: NEM.  Dispersed source are good, but the need to be reliable. EG peaker gas plants. As far as the SA power prices it is wholesale prices. As a homeowner who gives a crap. It is retail the average person cares about. Remember Wind and solar is the cheapest form of electricity, it is the extras that cost the money. Syncons, battery's, energy connect and other transmission. All the voltage regulators we are seeing on the power lines around the country that weren't needed when we had synchronous generation.

[old man emu]

1 minute ago, Siso said:

Remember Wind and solar is the cheapest form of electricity, it is the extras that cost the money

There's no such thing as a fee lunch.

[Siso]

Not saying anything about free lunches, just the misleading press releases that the state government release. People really only care what they get in the mail every 3 months.

[facthunter]

Dutton Proposes that for Businessmen but what's that got to do with the Price of Tea in China? There's generation and there is STORAGE. Standby Power is ridiculously expensive and slow in many. Instances Anything involving steam loses efficiencey and is Prone to Failure when the Plant ages and it usually Happens on a hot day Under full load without warning.  Nev

[facthunter]

 What about all the CRAP in the Media? IF they printed the TRUTH we could all have the facts at our disposal. Moneyed Vested Interests make sure that doesn't happen. Nev

7 minutes ago, facthunter said:

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Edited Thursday at 02:28 AM by facthunter

[facthunter]

Couldn't edit that. They're onto Me. Nev

[nomadpete]

Last figures I have seen confirms that Australian retail electricity prices are not that high. They rate as 15th highest out of 38 OECD countries.

I reckon our bills are considered high because we currently use vastly more electricity than our parents ever did.

[nomadpete]

I refer above to international comparison of the retail price per Kwh of electricity.

 

I can't find a objective comparison between present Kwh per household and other country's energy consumption per household. That might be relevent to the cost argument.