What has Trump done now?

[Jerry_Atrick]

28 minutes ago, facthunter said:

You're dismissing  established facts jerry. No point discussing this with you. You are dead Biased.  Nev

What are the facts that I have missed? That 60k Palestinians are dead? I haven't missed that. What about the other facts surrounding that fact? I haven't seen anyone here proffer corrections or rebuked except that I am biased. Sorry doesn't hold water with me because, well, it should be obvious.

 

 

[red750]

How many of the hostages held by Hamas were killed by IDF actions?

[kgwilson]

Three were killed on 15 December 2023 by the IDF after they emerged from a building shirtless and visibly unarmed carrying a makeshift white flag and calling out "Help" in Hebrew.

The IDF acknowledged that the three hostages, who were kidnapped by Hamas during the 7 October attacks, had been killed after they were "mistakenly identified as a threat," prompting renewed protests in Israel against the incumbent Netanyahu-led government.

 

"Mistakenly identified as a threat", Yeah right!

 

The bombing undoubtedly collapsed some Hamas tunnels and could have been responsible for some of the deaths but there is no way of corroborating this. The fact that Hamas can't find some of the bodies of those unaccounted for would suggest this is the case.

Edited 19 hours ago by kgwilson

[Jerry_Atrick]

5 hours ago, kgwilson said:

You can cherry pick events to suit your narrative but Netanyahu and his ultra right wing cronies are "War Criminals" as determined by the UN after 2 years of merciless killing of over 68,000 Palestinians over the original Hamas attack which saw about 1200 Innocent Israelis killed and 251 hostages taken. The USA has supplied most of the equipment and munitions and provided support for Israel over the last 2 years and they still can't defeat Hamas even after destroying most of Gazas housing and infrastructure.

 

So Hamas has come out of the woodwork and assassinated some Israeli collaborators. Hark back to WW2 when Germany was close to defeat & even after surrender, many collaborators were summarily shot. A couple of rogue Hamas gunmen target a couple of Israeli soldiers & Netanyahus response is to once again bomb civilians and then say the ceasefire is holding after 47 violations and 45 dead Palestinians.

 

I have tried to stick with the facts.. I may have missed some - I'm not perfect. You're correct about the 8 or 10 Palestinians that were killed as corroborators..and just because others do it does not make it right.. what basis was their information? However, that wasn't the only Palestinians that were killed. There were something like 27 others.. However, it was a fight between Hamas and some other clan/power broking family. This isn't the original article I read,  but makes cleat that it is a fight for power: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5e551j593o

 

The other article merely mentioned a family. 

I also believe I wrote what is the threshold that takes what has happened from trying to neutralise the threat to unjustified. And I stated that 60,000 people is too high.. 

On 19/10/2025 at 9:02 AM, Jerry_Atrick said:

For me, personally, it seems a toll too high,

Ahh.. there it was.. I am not saying Israel is without fault and never had.. My question had been what else were they to do? 

 

I wasn't aware of the retaliation nor the two IDF soldiers shot when I wrote my last response. Yes, I would suggest, especially given the stages of the conflict and delicate ceasefire, it was a step too far and not in good faith. I still maintain, looking at the history of the place, it wasn't a sign they want to indiscriminately   kill Palestinians, unless a) they didn't issue their warnings as they previously had done, or (not and) they were targeting a site not known to be a Hamas hideout or whatever. Israel has for years responded similarly to similar events.. presumably as a sho of strength to dissuade Hamas - but we know how that ends. So yes, I agree Israel was reckless at best, but probably trying to make a statement. 

 

As for Netanyahu being a war criminal - currently it is alleged. No trial has taken place. There has been a committal proceeding. I haven't read the report to determine if the probable case is really justified... And to be honest, who am I to say against a collaboration of senior international legal experts. But, on reading an article, both Hamas leaders and Netanyahu and another Israeli minister are indicted (doesn't make it right); but it is not genocide they are indicted on, but intentionally directing an attack against a civilian population: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

 

Very different crimes. Yet, unless you can contribute additional facts, intention is going to be a very grey area in this case. Not so, for Hamas 

[Marty_d]

Annabel Crabb's take on the Albo - orange man-baby's meeting is a classic, as always.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-21/trump-albanese-meeting-rudd-pound-of-flesh/105916336

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A body language expert has described Anthony Albanese's meeting with Donald Trump a 'massive success', claiming the Prime Minister 'did Australians proud'.

 

Dr Louise Mahler told Daily Mail the choreography between Albanese and Trump at the White House spoke volumes about power, confidence, and crisis.

 

'This was a hugely positive interaction for Albanese,' Dr Mahler said.

 

'He was strong, he was clearly told, "Come on, go for it, power up," and he did. It was extraordinary because Trump doesn't allow that to happen to anybody.'

 

Dr Mahler claimed Kevin Rudd's performance was less than impressive and that Australia's ambassador to the US appeared to suffer a 'political crisis'.

 

Aside from his awkward exchange with Trump, she claimed the key giveaway that he was stressed was the fact that he repeatedly reached out for his glass of water.

 

She claimed his handling of the situation was so poor that the Albanese government would likely distance itself from Rudd.

 

According to Dr Mahler, every element of the meeting was meticulously staged to project harmony between Albanese and Trump. 

 

'Every move is choreographed,' she explained. 

 

'Trump can be unpredictable, but the message was clear: Albanese will be praised and honoured, and Trump will let it pass.'

 

Dr Mahler said the message played out in subtle but telling gestures. 

 

Albanese initiated the handshake, secured the last word as he entered the building, a rarity with Trump, and spoke without interruption.

 

'Normally under stress, Albanese's jaw jams and he mumbles, but not this time,' Dr Mahler said. 

 

'He followed the rules and did us proud.'

 

Dr Mahler said the optics were striking given Trump's reputation for dominance. 

 

'Trump lets no one have the last word,' she said. 

 

'For Albanese to achieve that shows how carefully this was managed.'

 

But while Albanese thrived, Rudd appeared to shrink from view, with Dr Mahler saying that he 'didn't exist'.

 

'He was sitting there motionless, pretending he didn't exist. When the incident happened, he had a complete panic attack,' she said.

 

Dr Mahler said Rudd was visibly rattled after Trump looked at him and said: 'I don't like you and I never will.' 

 

'His mouth dried up and he grabbed a glass of water. Fifteen seconds later, he grabbed another,' Dr Mahler said. 

 

'Nobody else was drinking water. These are signs of stress.'

 

Rudd's discomfort was compounded by his lack of engagement. 

 

'When questions were asked, every head turned, not Rudd's. He stared straight ahead or at the table. He was in total shock,' Dr Mahler said. 

 

'I personally think this was a life crisis, a political crisis.' 

 

Dr Mahler said the contrast between the two Australians could not have been sharper. 

 

'Albanese will dine out on that for the rest of his life,' she said.

 

'For Rudd, it was a politician's nightmare.'

 

Dr Mahler said the meeting itself, held against a backdrop of strategic cooperation and speculation over rare earth deals, was unusually warm by Trump's standards.  

 

'Think of the bizarreness of it,' she said. 

 

'They are different sides of politics. Trump praises nobody. It was really weird, which makes me wonder what's in that document they signed.'

 

Even in the photo-op, body language told its own story. 

[onetrack]

Rudds performance was the next best thing to Hara-Kiri, without the accompanying sword. He was probably wishing for one at the time.